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Maybe he means astronauts on the International Space Station, who will now have a 90 minute long day.

Imagine if hypothetically a supplier offered very competitive - maybe even loss-making - prices when they had 25% of the market; then once they had 90% of the market and most of their competitors had gone out of business, they planned to raise prices substantially, make back the loss, and produce a big profit.

Isn't each customer's decision to buy (or not buy) from the loss-making supplier a tragedy-of-the-commons situation?


I struggle for an example of that actually working. If it does it must be exceedingly rare. I can think of lots of example of having 25% of the market and then getting closer to the majority by cutting prices, but the part where they jack them back up usually doesn't work. For instance, Rockefeller did that to put his competition out of business, but then the price of Kerosene just kept going down.

The times where it actually worked (railroad) was because the people doing it convinced the government afterwards to "protect the market" (interstate commerce act) and created a violence enforced cartel that prohibited by law rebates and other methods by which cartels (and pre-ICA railroad cartels) commonly fall apart.


Once mosanto has 90% of the market and they jack up their prices. Farmers can go back to growing non-GMO seeds and not using round up to weed.

Imagine if Monsanto just murdered every farmer that didn't use their seeds.

Both are equally legal.


> Does placing by ability actually helps student learn and score better?

Yes, you shunt all the disruptive/obstinate kids into class 2 and they can spend 4 hours of math lessons every week rehashing arguments about how they have a phone so they don't need to know what 7x12 is.

This means the students in class 1 get undisrupted classes, learning more and raising their grades.

Because of the way these things are done, it does have the unfortunate side effect that the kid who struggles with math because he's dyslexic gets put in a class with the kid who doesn't give a shit about math. But they'd be in the same even if the school didn't place by ability, so they're not that much worse off.


> This means the students in class 1 get undisrupted classes, learning more and raising their grades.

That's pure hypothetical, and some disruptive kids are also good and could make it to the top class and still be a class clown. Unless you propose more splitting kids up by "disruptiveness".

I don't think any of this tells us of the quality of the method for actually teaching. It's like schools that have really hard entrance exams, and than assert they are the best school, yes in terms that they only allowed the smartest to come in, off course they will see that the students at the school is good, but those students would be good regardless.


It isn't hypothetical, lower disruptive peer-behaviour in a class is associated with better outcomes for the class, across the world.

and the montessori method is effective in lowering disruptive peer-behaviour. it's part of the point. it teaches children to not be disruptive by letting them focus on their activities.

That's not what was proposed though, what was proposed was to have kids move up as their ability develops.

It's pure hypothesis that this would coincide with less disruption in classes, even more that it would be causative.

I also find it purely hypothetical that it does anything to make kids better.

You said lack of disruptiveness is associated with better outcomes, have any research or data about it? Otherwise it too is pure hypothetical.

A hypothesis isn't bad, but since we're on the topic of ability, let's not devolve into cargo cults.



These type of studies trot the line of cargo cult though. Incredibly small effects, weak causation, full of possible confounders.

I'm not going to say being in a class where you are trying to pay attention and others are being very disruptive, and interrupt the lesson is enjoyable, it's annoying, but if you take even the studies you link, say the second link, it finds a 2% correlated effect, that is peers had scores 0.02 times lower than the standard deviation.

So if we were to change and group kids based on disruptiveness, instead of a 80% test core, your kid would have a 79.7% test score...

Now before you respond to this, I want to reiterate the point of my argument, that none of these ideas focus on actual teaching method improvements. How do you take a child at any level, and more effectively teach them so they learn faster and improve their intelligence and knowledge.

These alternatives, grouped by disruptiveness, grouped by current abilities, etc. they don't really change the pedagogy, just the environment. It seems their known effects are really small, and the effect on the average are not known.

So I'm not against them, as just from a pure setup they seem more appropriate, but it seems unlilely to result in much improvement learning wise, the kind that I'd be interested in.


> I'm not sure why the swapsies plan is unreasonable?

Imagine a route with 6 planes a day, 2 hours apart. The first flight of the day develops a problem that'll take 3 hours to repair.

Is it better to delay one plane by 3 hours; pay 200 passengers compensation; and waste 3x200=600 person-hours?

Or to delay six planes by 2 hours; pay no compensation as only 3+ hour delays get compensation; and waste 6x2x200=2400 person-hours?


If the first plane needs 3 hours to return to service, you delay the first group of passengers by 2 hours and the second group by one hour. There's no need to delay the rest of the day's flights when the plane is fixed.

The person hours of delay is still 2x200 + 1x200 = 600.


Right, but they didn’t want that to happen.

It’s just a weird side effect that’s surprisingly difficult to prevent - online games have had gold farmers for pretty much as long as there have been online games with gold.


Coffeezilla makes an interesting series of videos about casinos in the csgo community and also makes a video against Valve themselves.

Worth a watch imo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13eiDhuvM6Y


> They are suing Gaggle, who claims they never intended their system to be used that way.

Yeah, there's a shop near me that sells bongs "intended" for use with tobacco only.


> Is 75 minutes really considered that long of a time? [...] When I worked on firmware we frequently spent _weeks_ trying to diagnose what part of the firmware was broken.

One might spend weeks diagnosing a problem if the problem only happens 0.01% of the time, correlated with nothing, goes away when retried, and nobody can reproduce it in a test environment.

But 0.01%-and-it-goes-away-when-retried does not make a high priority incident. High priority incidents tend to be repeatable problems that weren't there an hour ago.

Generally a well designed, properly resourced business critical system will be simple enough and well enough monitored that problems can be diagnosed in a good deal less than 75 minutes - even if rolling out a full fix takes longer.

Of course, I don't know how common well designed, properly resourced business critical systems are.


In my experience HNers are extremely credulous.

As far as I can tell, there's no level of satire so heavy-handed and unsubtle that it won't get a reply taking it seriously. If anything, the more obviously ridiculous your suggestion, the more urgently HNers want to disagree.


Partly because reality is getting more stranger faster than satire. There's even an entire subreddit dedicated to that

Yeah, I don't think "surely no one seriously believes this" is viable now, if it was before. Of course, what you choose to do with that conclusion is still up to you.

I'm pretty sure the widespread adoption of Crocs heralded this tipping point. [viz., 'Idiocracy']

I've been on the internet a long time. There are enough weirdos out there to make you understand humor doesn't scale, and it definitely doesn't scale across cultures.

Things are different when you actually know people but we killed that when we killed forums.


What a coincidence :)

Friday night I'm going to help move equipment for my good friends in Benign Pestilence.

They're opening for Barnyard Inoculations at the newly remodeled Allergen Aerator.

And the big headliner of the night is of course, Miasma.

Just back from the world tour.

It's going to be a deathly Metal night !


If it's supposed to be some sort of joke about sarcasm, I'm not getting it.

tbf, there's also almost no level of satire about business ideas so heavy handed and unsubtle that some HNers won't think it's an idea worth pitching to an investor...


Autism-per-capita is very high here. :)

> Most of these companies value is built on the idea of AGI being achievable in the near future.

Is it? Or is it based on the idea a load of white collar workers will have their jobs automated, and companies will happily spend mid four figures for tech that replaces a worker earning mid five figures?


I think companies that expect to use AI to cut their salary overhead making the same products they were before are going to get clobbered by companies that use AI to grow. A few people may have to retrain into a different line of work but I don't really see AI putting people out of work en masse.

From what I've seen, the most-compelling thesis involves robotics. We're seeing evidence that LLMs tokenising physical inputs can operate robots better than previous methods. If that's pans out, the investment thesis is secured. No AGI needed.

Why not both? :)

On the other hand, the limited size of the British market limits Parliament’s ability to pressure foreign companies.

China may be able to bully Apple into letting it snoop on its citizens’ icloud backups, but when the UK wants the same illiberal snooping powers, with 10% the population it’s 90% easier to walk away.


It's quite ironic that they would have an easier time enforcing that if they were still part of the EU and could have been the deciding factor towards more regulation faster.

The EU is big and rich enough to force Big Tech into submission under threat of loosing the market.


Well, it's not ironic. That's one of the main reason why countries form coalition: to increase their collective bargaining power globally.

The ironic part is that parts of the pro Brexit movement were convinced (from their messaging at least) that it worked the other way around.

Significantly less than 10%.

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