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Yep, don't acknowledge the point about current leadership and their rhetoric. Ignore the videos you see online and ignore the picture of blood + brain matter splattered inside the car. I can't tell if you're trolling, an awful person, or just that fucking stupid. Maybe all three.

You can see from bits and pieces of their post history that they're likely all three [1], considering how far they've been willing to bend to try and defend increasingly absurd claims. I normally don't like making accusations like these sort of things, but given how quickly people have fallen into lockstep with the exact same argument which is easily debunked by watching the video I start to question their actual intention.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45549846


Because the administration’s rhetoric doesn’t matter to the legality surrounding this shooting. Those are just words from politicians. Just like the governors, the mayors, city council…etc… Its just noise.

Also, the motivation of the woman who was killed doesn’t really matter either (unless it’s somehow proven that she was there in a protest capacity). All of the commentary on here about who she was, what she might have been doing there, and the actions she took or didn’t take are just noise too.

The ONLY thing that matters to the legality of this killing is whether that officer reasonably felt that he and others were in harms way from the actual actions of that driver (regardless of motivation) and whether or not he followed his training protocols for this type of situation. That’s the signal.

I am not trolling. What I am trying to do here is get people focused on the signal, not the noise. To look at this without the emotion and through the eyes of someone who will be evaluating this incident from what the legal perspectives are and how they will be applied.


If you want to play lawyer, that's great but everyone just watched an execution of a mother in broad daylight. I think most reasonable people would agree that this is over the top especially because they made it extremely hard to render aid after it happened. Not to mention the various training documents that say not to do what this ICE agent did: stand in front of a car then incapacitate the driver.

It's not just "politicians speech" either, these are leaders in the executive who will bring any charges and are the ones investigating themselves. If they're not professional, and completely lie about the circumstances, how can we expect justice? States can bring charges, I guess, but I'm not going along with "nothing they say matters" idea.


Everyone also saw a car move forward directly towards a person before his weapon was even drawn.

If he did not follow procedure that will be accounted for in the investigation. I am sure that question will hinge on whether or not from all the angles and prior to the vehicle moving if the officer was in a position that was against procedure.

They state can certainly try and bring charges if it wants to, but that doesn’t automatically mean that prosecution will be successful or that the officer is guilty, the officer right now and until tried, is innocent. Any prosecutor still will need to prove their case and from my perspective, overcoming the qualified immunity in this case will be difficult.


> Everyone also saw a car move forward directly towards a person

The horror! That was more scary than imagining a woman with three bullet holes in her head.


All you fascists bound to lose.

Why is it okay that your mush-mouth dear leader can make all the accusations that they want in less than 10 minutes every time any incident like this happens? No consequences for that ever.

But those of us with functioning eyes cannot call a spade a spade?


Who made that claim? Not I.



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