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Not saying this HAS to happen. But I remember when Ubers were clean, quiet, cheap too. I think you are just looking at a product before the enshittification, when they still have to pretend they care about your comfort.


I wonder what the non-subsidized price of a Waymo ride would be.


Lower prices for recommended destinations, ads played during trip, LLM engages the customer.


earlier price is steep because they still have huge RnD cost but if we scale that to one planet, it would been cheaper in the long run


As I understand it, unless the fleet size dramatically increases, the cost of a ride is completely determined by supply/demand.


How long does it take to recoup the cost of the automobile and all the tech stuff they add to it?


As I understand it, whatever it costs, is strictly less than the market dynamics of providing the ride today.

There is probably some market equilibrium where they could reasonably provide <5 minute pickups for waymo users that would both cover the cost of the automobile and still be less than the price of an uber today.


You'd have to account for the billions of dollars has Google spent since the first Darpa Grand Challenge in 2004.


You're not allowed to smoke cigarettes in a Waymo, whereas UberX drivers are allowed to, I believe, off the clock.

I do worry in general about what the enshittification of Waymo will look like, though.


It will undoubtedly get enshittifed in its own way, probably higher prices, but at least it will be reliable when booked. Ubers seem to be a crap shoot these days if they're actually going to come and get you.


I can't guarantee that Waymo won't be enshittified, but one fundamental difference with Uber is that Waymo doesn't need to compete in the labor market for drivers. When the low end of the labor market got red hot in 2023-24, that's when Uber prices climbed rapidly because drivers had other options; Waymo won't have this problem. It won't be affected by other things like ever-rising health care costs or local regulations guaranteeing driver wage floors either.


the same exact problems we had with Taxis. Sigh.


Had so many Boston cabs not show up for rides to the airport growing up. Uber was such a breath of fresh air…until it wasn’t anymore.


Uber, when it was launched, was limos only, and would come (with ETA) when cabs would not. It was expensive.

The story they told is that they were unable to get a ride. That’s not enshittification, that’s simply scammers on the platform not doing their job.

That won’t happen with robots.

They might raise the prices, or clean the cars less frequently, but if it shows up and runs the program, it won’t ever get worse than that.


Uber still is like that if you choose that option. It just defaults to UberX because that's cheaper. I dunno, I've never been in a dirty Uber/Lyft.

But yes, I originally switched to them because Bay Area cabs just will not pick you up if they don't feel like it.


In-Ride Ads coming soon to a car ride near you


coming soon? An ipad strapped to the back of the passenger seat headrest is already here for drivers that choose to do that.




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