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It's a product I actively looked for before setting up Slack for my company.


There are multiple devices that have shipped with Fuchsia on it in the home ecosystem over the last 5 years.

I don't necessarily think it's going to be a major success, but it's already been more successful than this implies.

(Bias, was on the Fuchsia team many moons ago)


It might be your bias, or even mine, but in my opinion, what you and I are saying are pretty much the same...

There is not much actual difference between "I heard here and there that some exotic glorified home tablet thingy is running it" and "There are multiple devices that have shipped with Fuchsia on it in the home ecosystem over the last 5 years".

Would love to hear where it was actually used, searching for it, I really only found a handful of examples.

I was an active Flutter community member and it was driving me crazy how people would say "Flutter is great because Fuchsia also uses Flutter", and all I thought "show me one person who is using Fuchsia at this whole conference / meetup".


You can go to a normal store and buy a device using fuchsia today, it's just not advertising that is the OS under the hood. That is why I do not think what you said is the same thing.


Got it, fair enough, then maybe fuchsia is just hiding well (or it could also be me not knowing things)


Calling out tailscale here is odd considering it's peer-to-peer and encrypted.


With keys controlled by a central entity


do you have a source for that?


Tailscale [0] says the private keys never leave the device.

“Security

Tailscale and WireGuard offer identical point-to-point traffic encryption.

Using Tailscale introduces a dependency on Tailscale’s security. Using WireGuard directly does not. It is important to note that a device’s private key never leaves the device and thus Tailscale cannot decrypt network traffic. Our client code is open source, so you can confirm that yourself.”

0. https://tailscale.com/compare/wireguard


That is true as far as it goes, but how does your node learn the public keys of the other nodes in your tailnet? My understanding is that they are provided by the coordination server, so you have to trust that the public key the coordination server gives you is actually the one for your peer device.

Tailnet lock helps mitigate this by requiring that node public keys are signed by a trusted signing node, but it isn't bulletproof.


Public key cryptography doesn’t work like that. If you were given wrong public keys you wouldn’t be able to connect to start with.


> Public key cryptography doesn’t work like that

Like what? I'm saying both sides of the connection would be given the wrong public keys by the coordination server. The private keys of which would be held by a MITM.


To add to that, they also provides Tailnet lock [0], which protects from the only way the coordination server can mess with the tailnets, by connecting unauthorized nodes.

[0] https://tailscale.com/kb/1226/tailnet-lock


> Better UX would have helped adoption and would have led to Google keeping the RSS button

The most obvious people to have improved that UX is the browser... aka Google. The way that XML rendered was controlled by the browser. This all sounds like Google apologism.


RSS was already dead long before Chrome was the market leader.

And even if the feed was rendered properly, it's essentially useless without an associated extension or website to aggregate those feeds.


Reader was killed in 2013, Chrome already had ~40% market share by then. It may have not been as dominant as it is now, but Chrome was already a major influence on the web user experience.


The funny thing is...non-Google browsers had even done that. Chrome was the odd one that didn't, and Firefox was still more popular at the time.

Firefox had Live Bookmarks, which I used for a long time. You'd just drag the icon to your bookmarks toolbar and then it would appear as a folder containing all of the entries as clickable bookmarks to the relevant web pages. The browser alerted you to autodiscovered feeds as well. The orange RSS pictogram (not the initialization) would appear right there in the URL bar if the site was set up right.

As early as OS X 10.4, desktop Safari had a built in RSS reader as well. You'd open the sidebar that's currently mostly used for the reading list and bookmarks, and there was some way to add the current page's discovered RSS feed with a button click or two. It also rendered feed XML in a particularly nice way that looked like a very clean looking blog, so landing on an XML page wouldn't intimidate less technical users.

Chrome deliberately was dysfunctional, and it taking over probably had more to do with RSS not growing more mainstream (as well as the rise of social networks and over commercialization) than Google Reader shutting down.


"just build more housing" is definitely viable here in NYC. NYC is not that dense in comparison to many other major metropolis in the world.


Really? Compared to what other metropolises?


NYC doesn't even make the list apparently:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_proper_by_popul...


Did you actually look at that list? Most have under 1,000,000 in population. Many even have less than 100,000. There are only a handful of cities on the list comparable to NYC. It’s also worth noting that Manhattan would be 9 on the list, if listed as an individual city. The current number 9 is Port au Prince. Is that the kind of metropolis you were comparing NYC to?


Being condescending is also a choice.

Nothing about the GP indicated victimhood, only striving for a better life with real challenges in front of them.


No worries about my life, I'm good. Just wanting to do something different as a job. Thanks for defending me :)


We live in different worlds.

The Jira I'm familiar with may be extremely powerful, but fast it certainly is not. I also rarely need that power which comes with non-trivial complexity.


Feral cats, as much as I love a house cat, can almost be thought of as an invasive species.

They absolutely decimate song birds populations.


But try telling that to the people who like feeding them. It'll just make them hide their feeding and the problem will persist.

I spent a lot of time a few years ago helping people trap and neuter their feral colonies, keeping the population under control with the support of the caretakers rather than fighting them.

Unfortunately, this won't solve the problem of feral cats, it only mitigates it. Culling doesn't really seem to work either though. Chemical sterilization is a promising approach, but hard to enact on large scale without sterilizing other species by accident.


Birds have to go. More cats will always be the answer.


I don't think dart is a problem, but your timelines are very off.

Dart was a JavaScript alternative that was started back in 2011. It's evolved a lot since then but in no way was it created for Flutter.

(I worked physically adjacent to the Flutter team for a couple years)


How much of that is because we have a bunch of forward secret e2e auditable ballot schemes already? (E.g. ThreeBallot)

We already know how to do this, it's policy that the hard part at this point from my understanding.


Yup. Voting has received a dizzying amount of academic research. That doesn’t mean it’s impossible to innovate, but diving into that field without an advisor that’s familiar is a recipe for years of rediscovering existing results.


Also there's was a lot of over enthusiasm about moving voting to remote and online that took a while to get people to realize the major pitfalls they were setting up.

Did anyone ever solve the issue of vote verification (a voter being able to verify that their vote was counted) being a massive threat to vote secrecy? ie they're threatened to vote for Candidate X by a group and forced to show a verification they did?



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