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I've scribbled 'this is satire' across each and every generated ID, so they can't realistically be used for anything.


Nope! Office of national statistics published a CSV for postcode -> constituency name [ https://geoportal.statistics.gov.uk/datasets/6f2f35a9a0b94e7... ], and then the official gov.uk parliament API for a constituency name -> MP lookup [ https://members-api.parliament.uk/index.html ]. So all of the data is the officially available data. I humbly posit that this is a publicly owned bug.


I would guess you're taking the constituency name and doing something like this:

https://members-api.parliament.uk/api/Location/Constituency/...

returns three constituencies, all of which look fine to me, but the "Stafford" one is the middle, and you're using the data from the first returned constituency


They're definitely not perfect. I wouldn't want them to be perfect, then they might be used for something nefarious. The mock IDs use fake details and fake faces, and don't even attempt to get the watermarks and machine readable parts right.


Thanks Danny - it was indeed following 'They Work For You' - I'm a big fan of that site.


I'm proud to say that the "They Work For You" was actually one of mine (or my recollection is both vain, and broke) :)

Let's not forget that Matthew Somerville did (and still does!) most of the actual work tho.


Yeah the address on all the IDs is for parliament. I assume one could find em there


It's literally just sticking the MPs name into an AI and asking for it to generate a mock ID for them. None of their real data is being used (e.g. their face, their DoB, the address) and the mock IDs wouldn't fool anyone for a second. I'd love if someone who understands the law would weigh in though


I don't think "It was actually ChatGPT that committed the crime, not me" would fly in a British court.


That's an interesting question, though.

We hold that LLMs are incapable of generating copyrighted images, so it's not just a tool - if it was just a tool then the author would be able to copyright the images. The courts recognise that an LLM is capable of generating things in its own right (which is why they're not copyrightable - copyrights only protect human works).

So it follows that an LLM must be able to create images itself, separate from the human prompter.

Whether that's enough to absolve the human of the crime, though - IANAL, and I suspect it would take the House of Lords to rule on it definitively.


You're overthinking it. You're building on your own definition of what a tool is, but courts are likely to find that a person who used an AI with a specific type of prompt were using it as a tool and are responsible for the clearly stated intent behind their use.

Whether that's actually legal in this case I don't know, but I'm pretty sure courts won't conclude "welp, it was the AI, not the user" in a case like this.


Yeah, probably you're right. Though it is an interesting thing to overthink - we have decided that LLMs are not tools for copyright but are tools for accountability. At some point they'll get smart enough to be accountable, and what happens then?


the law is pretty fickle that way. It's illegal to rob a bank no matter how badly you bungle it. Saying afterwards "but my gun was clearly made of plastic" probably won't get you completely off the hook if you actually threatened someone with it and asked for money (this site is literally titled Use Your Local MP's ID - it's expressing an intent).


Does the AI has access to newspapers? If John Doe is a MP, then he is probably the most famous Joe Doe in the last 5 years and the AI may grab his photo from a newspaper. I don't know about the national ID in UK, but here in Argentina the national ID number is public. A lot of public documents include "John Doe (DNI 23.456.789)", and the are sites where you can search it (the DB has problems with almost coalitions, so you may get a number 23.456.789 from one "John X. Doe" that is a 50yo in Buenos Aires and another "John Y. Doe" with number 59.876.653 that is a 3yo in Ushuaia, so in many cases it's easy to guess)


> I don't know about the national ID in UK

There isn't one.


^coalitions^collisions


It does use their face


It's better to be safe than sorry. For your own best interest, I would shut down the site and delete this post.


Comply in advance. It's the #1 way to make illegal laws work!


“Don’t upset the autocrats!”


You jest, but a barrister was threatened with arrest while holding a blank piece of paper on the protest: https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/barrister-threatened-...


I wasn’t jesting. I was (too) obliquely saying that when we all hasten to accede to the autocrats before they even ask, we become complicit in huge social evils.

I’m not suggesting that everyone most do self-immolation, but if it were me, I would draw the line at being afraid of being “caught” for an obvious prank using no PII. Screw that, come arrest me if things have really gotten that bad.


Thank you, I didn't get it previously. I completely agree.


You kid, but that's very good advice in most human societies at most points in history.


Seems like open AI is rate limiting me for a minute, I didn't expect to get top of HN this quickly. Use Starmer's for now - WC2B6NH


Why didn't you just create the images for all 650 MPs ahead of time?


Because that's expensive as hell and I didn't know if anyone would visit the site..


Ideally you would save them as they were generated, and deliver the saved version the second time?


Yup, that's what happens. If you request a postcode that leads to an MP that's not been seen before, it starts generating that MP and saves the ongoing promise, and gives that promise to everyone else to asks for that MP.

Had to make sure to implement this so that I didn't end up generating duplicates.


Really? Does it really cost that much to generate a single image like this?


yeah to generate a photo of reasonable quality it costs like $.18, so multiply that by 650ish MPs and you have a pretty expensive lil parody site...


Make hay while the sun shines. ~$120 upfront would make this an order of magnitude more expensive than a vanity domain name already, but if you had precomputed and cached them you’d be capitalizing on the viral momentum.


it's literally just the MPs name. It's a fake DoB (because their DoB's aren't public knowledge anymore) all the numbers and such are nonsense, the images wouldn't fool a human for one second. The AI tools don't let you generate an ID for any real human being (because that sounds like all sorts of fraud) so you can't upload a picture of the MP or anything like that - so I just let the model fill in whatever face it thinks is appropriate for the given name.


> because their DoB's aren't public knowledge anymore

Most are on Wikipedia, no?


Even if they weren't, most MPs will be old enough that their top level Birth Records are available, so if they don't have a common name or you know enough biographical details you can find them anyway. If they've got a weird name like Elon Musk you just go name -> DOB in one step, if they're a Sarah Black maybe you need to know approximate age, birth name, rough part of the country where they were born. For super common names like John Smith you will need to know the mother's name, year and specific location of birth at which point yeah you're closer to just knowing their DoB anyway.


where are these public birth records?



I'm a bit out of the loop and not familiar with the whole thing. Do you just submit a plausibly real name and any DOB that is older than 18 and a picture? Does the thing crosscheck the name + dob with a demographic database (does UK has any)?


The Online Safety Act is completely stupid - it just requires "age verification". Various sites have outsourced this to various providers, most of which are American. The age verifiers in turn just look at the image, generally algorithmically without human intervention, and go "seems legit". There is no single national UK ID database that could be used for this purpose - everything is either partial, doesn't include photos (e.g. electoral roll), or isn't public (passport DB).


It's all just random third party shit with zero government oversight. There's no national ID in the UK because even the mildest mention of a voluntary national ID scheme leads to gnashing of teeth and wailing about how it's fascist and a violation of our civil liberties and everyone is happy pissing about with driving licenses or passports or utility bills to prove who you are.


what's the postcode?


I don't think that's as universally agreed upon as you claim. I know of plenty of women who struggled to lose weight via diet and cardio, and then turned things round when they started eating high protein and lifting weights.

Diet + cardio with no strength work can put people into 'gotta make it through this famine' mode, where their metabolism slows right down to eke out the stores as long as possible.


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