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I find it curious that people are celebrating when they manage to not pay (part of) an absurdly wrong bill that can only be either the result of gross incompetence or- much more probably- an attempt at fraud. The actual happy ending of such a story would be that the healthcare provider is sued for damages and/ or attempted fraud, and has to pay back a large multiple of what has asked.

But then somehow they know how much things are when they send you the bill?

my exact curiosity. They seem to have a rough scope on CPT codes ahead of time, with some buffer. It's baffling that the cost per CPT changes between estimate and billing. Id like to talk to a billing administrator to ask how that process works. Does the admin pad the doctor's figures with additional codes and markup?

> when the topic comes out it's as they're basically stuck in a time loop.

Fellow Italian here. The whole country is stuck in a time loop. Have you noticed that even the crime pages of the newspapers are filled with articles about investigations on murders of twenty or thirty or even forty years ago? And that on tv, people debate furiously terrorist acts that took place almost 50 years ago- when they also don't get updates from eternally ongoing investigations and trials? In politics, the same reforms that were proposed at the beginning of the '90s are brought up by each new government, generating new controversy and division, until they're forgotten or, sometimes, rolled back by Italy's supreme court. These days there's even a debate going on about the opportunity of introducing sexual education in schools for 6-8 graders, when I remember we had it already in the late '80s.


The goal is the same as ever, massacring Palestinians and make their life hell so they'll move away from Palestine, leaving it for Israel to annex.


Nice. It looks like it's not really focusing much on the task and just drawing something by heart; then when asked for the third time it finally produces a much simpler and smaller design that actually resembles some kind of bird. As if this was the actual real effort.


You say that like it has an understanding. If I could have forked the conversation after it gave a unicorn I would have, but I was able to start my own and ask for ASCII art of a parrot. On the first try it gave me a sitting penguin (probably Tux art from the training data)

When I then asked it if the image was really a parrot it told me that it was "more of a generic 'ASCII bird' (often used as a generic owl/parrot placeholder), not a true parrot."

A sitting penguin is certainly not a generic bird.


Yes. Well, it doesn't really "see" the ascii art it's producing because it's blind and it's just reading and writing it as if it were text- so the task is much more complex than it seems to us. I do notice a difference between the first attempt (and your sitting penguin) and the small art at the end. If you've used gpt5, it's possible that it decided to engage its full capacity only at that point, and that the previous answers were less thought through.

But yes I do believe these things understand. There is no other way for them to do what they're doing.


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That's what you might expect a generic sitting penguin to look like, but this is what it actually gave me

      .---.
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Definitely a Linux Tux penguin


The twitter files were also bad. Not as bad as the stuff Trump is doing, but still bad.


> twitter files were also bad. Not as bad as the stuff Trump is doing

The Twitter files were ambiguous. The FCC chair publicly threatening to pull a network’s licenses over their content is not.

Anyone who voiced up about the Twitter files who hasn’t about Carr is a partisan hack.


Absolutely. This is pure fascism. But let's not make the mistake of pretending there are zero faults on the other side, even if of smaller magnitude compared to this.


Are you saying that the government might seriously harass and damage a media company for speech they don't like? And this is normal?


I think you missed that the whole point of this race was:

"did we build a vehicle faster than a horse, yes/no?"

Which matters a lot when horses are the fastest land vehicle available. (We're so used to thinking of horses as a quaint and slow mean of transport that maybe we don't realize that for millennia they've been the fastest possible way to get from one place to another.)


> "did we build a vehicle faster than a horse, yes/no?"

Yeah fair. There's also that famous human vs horse race that happens every few years. So far humans keep winning (because it's long distance)


If you're talking about the Man versus Horse Marathon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_versus_Horse_Marathon) it's the other way around. Overwhelmingly the horses win. Only occasionally does the human.


I stand corrected. My memory garbled that. Thanks!


> a guy at CBS as a "bias monitor"

Kenneth Weinstein.

"Mr. Weinstein has had a long career in right-leaning and neoconservative public policy circles. He is a firm and vocal champion of Israel." (NyTimes)



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We still have (hopefully) a democratic choice how this plays out, so the distinction between left/right is meaningful regarding political overreach (beyond the stereotypes propagandists like to attach).

If you are arguing that the left is identical to the right in that regard, you truly deserve your downvotes. I mean ... leftist censorship-cancelation for no good reason.


You are not understanding that the whole left/right distinction you see is just you seeing what is put before you so you will be engaged in a meaningless feud that is just as meaningless as the sport you watch and that team you really care about. It was long ago figured out that "democracy" is a far more effective tool for managing the mindless masses through "choice" and participation ... in choices they are provided, both more or less being acceptable to the ruling cabal. Trump was clearly a kind of upset of that system for reasons and causes that are too big to go into right now, but it is precisely why the same left/right leaders were perfectly fine with uniting in their opposition to Trump, demonstrating momentarily how fake and meaningless their opposition to each other is.

I could not care less what peasants vote on some website simply because they don't like hearing the truth and it conflicts with their programming. That sounds like a you problem that you get some kind of impotent satisfaction from seeing the peasant mob down voting my comment as if that would change anything about reality.


How do you know my perception of politics? Have i put some pronouns somewhere in my bio?

> left/right distinction you see, as meaningless as sport

> managing the mindless through "choice" and participation

I dont really know where to start to tackle this mess. To me, it appears to be a wild mix of delusion and cluelesness ... so, what to adress first.

Lets start with the basics. A left leaning ideology revolves around wealth distribution and not some identity politics (IP) of LGBTQ-whatev. The IP part on both sides is what you rightfully call political theater, but again, only caring about some minority does not make one a leftist. Reducing the left to only that is dumb but necessary for the right. This IP label is the propaganda vehicle used to distract from very important, system shaking, actual political issues. Gullible people get caught by emotions to hook them on simple answers. Like the "degenerates" teaching kids or "gangs" migrating to the US. Its always the same fascistic playbook, construct a dislikable enemy -- bc disgust is a strong emotion and source of bias to blur your reasoning, exclude all contradicting complexities -- like migrants being statistically less criminal, agitate the masses based on that and then take out any (reasonable) opposition by crying around that you are the actual victim here, to obscure your retaliation. Does this sound like trump to you?

When soft power (propaganda) fails, you can turn to any history book how much uncle sam disagrees with you about the "meaningless left", because leftist wealth distribution challenges power structures beyond the political stage, where the players reside, that had been corrupting US politics for longer then the US fucked up latin america. You can see it in real time today, how the democrats turn on NY mayor candidate Mamdani because of his "communist" NY rent freeze. Calling such leftist central, decades old, factual and non-IP ambition meaningless is a strong indicator of political cluelessness and i bet, the right will use some form of force to stop the islamo-communist (please tell me you got the IP-labeling here). Trump already talked about cooperating with democrats and even deporting Mamdani but i think that openly fascistic demasking is reserved for the trump 2028 campaign.

Besides actual political ideals beyond IP, there is also the existing power structures, you called cabal, that you didnt get.

> the same left/right leaders were perfectly fine with uniting in their opposition to Trump

How many right wingers turned on trump exactly? If id compare them side by side, i think there are more conservatives that called trump hitler/alike but boot licked their way back into the cabal later (vance, RFK!) then there are conservatives that turned on trump today. This indicator of opportunistic politicians is also a good sign for political shallowness, aka political theater performed by well paid actors.

The power structure you somehow missed is where the F that money comes from, that corrupts politics and is needed to keep the gullible pondering about their forced uppon pronouns (also IP, just in case you missed that too).

The very first thing trump did in both terms where tax cuts esp. for the wealthy, which is a strong signal for the parasites to throw more monet at him but a big nono from a leftist position bc the system favored the rich and sucked on the working class for even longer than US politics got corrupted by big capital and even longer then the US fucked up latin america. The results of all that societal development is a shrinking and increasingly desperate middle class and billionares buying big media to cure the "woke mind virus". For these dipshits, thats the biggest concern while ordinary people cannot live off of two jobs, let alone support a family.

And here you are, calling the left meaningless bc you cant think outside of / see through the IP.

> I could not care less what peasants vote on

is a very fitting intro to conclude your bullshit ... until you realize that working peasants are the ones keeping us all afloat.

Maybe the reason you turn away from the right too is, that you developed a tolerance for the current, digust driven out-group the tribalistic right also revolves around -- you had been disappointed by shallow right leaning politics too often. But dont worry, theyll push out an update eventually and it all begins anew, bc you might be turned off by the right atm, but you are propably turned away even further from anything meaningful.


I've been wondering if enough people would be single issue voters on the Israel question that we could actually get some sort of candidate who attracts a ton of voters from both traditional parties.

It's ironic because (IMO) people like Ben Shapiro and other pro-Israel people deliberately divide us to prevent us from uniting against them, but the genocide has actually united us[1]. Just the other day I saw a Twitter post from one Cenk Ugyur reaching across the aisle and saying "good job" to right wingers who objected to hate speech laws against people who celebrated Kirk's assassination.

Admittedly, if 68% of Americans are opposed to Israel that doesn't necessarily mean all of them are single issue voters... but I think this is the first issue I've seen in my lifetime that gets this close to uniting Americans.

[1] https://news.gallup.com/poll/692948/u.s.-back-israel-militar...


Cenk Ugyur agreeing with right wing talking points is not "reaching across the aisle." Not even a little bit.


The US political party system has no "right" and "left" -- it has "right" and "righter right."

At the grassroots level there is a bit of a "left" in the Democratic party, but it has no power anywhere.

EDIT: this is why it's twice as jarring to see Trump and the GOP ranting about the "radical left" in US politics. WTF? Where? Tepid neo-liberalism funded by Soros is... "left wing?" Wow.


So at least 5 accounts not only do see the value in dividing people into “left” and “right”, but they also were compelled to vote it down?

Or was it just abuse of the system?


> Israel itself demonstrates this since nearly 30% of the population isn’t Jewish

Israel also has a law that says that the right of self-determination only belongs to its Jewish citizens- it calls itself the Jewish state. I would be entirely for a one-state solution with equal rights for everyone, but that thing cannot be Israel.


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Not sure which states you refer to (and obviously you don't know either, you just mean it as a lazy retort) but it's not the point. The point is that Israel is programmatically a state for the Jews, and therefore Israel cannot be a state for everyone. There is btw nothing wrong with it- western nations can afford the luxury of being open to everyone because they are massive and ethnically homogeneous enough to be able to afford it. There's some hypocrisy or wishful thinking at the bottom of this, but doesn't matter. The fault of Israel is not that of wanting a state for the Jews, is thinking of colonising another people's land do obtain it, and then not stopping but keeping taking more and crushing all resistance with violence.


The only reason Arab states are ethnically homogeneous is that they ethnically clean minorities. Ask any Christian Lebanese. Or any Jew that you might happen to find in Lebanon, or Syria, or Iraq, or Yemen, or Tunis. Or the Kurds, or the Yazidi, or the Druze, or even the Alawites.


Not sure why you want so much to talk about Arab states, but anyway, just in the spirit of conversation- personally I've observed that ME countries, with all their troubles, seem to be much more religiously (and probably ethnically) diverse than European countries. I come from an extremely homogeneous country from both aspects, it's funny when a country made exclusively by white Catholics talks about the intolerance of places where three or four different religions and minorities have coexisted for hundreds of years.


I'm not familiar with the European countries, but I'm rather interested in how you perceive it. Care to elaborate? Thank you!


Seems you should ask any native American or Australian why there are white people in the USA and Australia


Instead I'll ask where are the worldwide protests to abolish the USA and Australia?


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