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They all just voted against their own economic interests to win their culture war.

Objectively, they are stupid, even the ones who went to college.


The entire point of being wealthy (and USA is one of the richest countries on earth) is to be able to afford to sacrifice some extra wealth (e.g. by not working, or giving to charity, or abolishing slavery, or enforcing worker's rights) to accomplish other goals (whatever you deem good, or moral, or just fun / entertainment).


On the contrary. The voted for their own economic interests and ignored the culture war. Economics was the number one issue.


It was a reactionary response though. The fantasy of going back to low grocery prices is just that. Or are we actually going to pursue deflation?

I don't see any policy there, just platitudes.


On every objective measure the US has the best economy it has had in...pretty much ever. So they voted for "their own economic interests" by voting in a guy with plans that every economist says will be absolutely disastrous and will not only massively spike unemployment, it will lead to far greater prices for American consumers.

Trump's plan for grocery prices is to put massive tariffs on grocery imports and to deport millions of workers. There is no one with a functioning logic cortex who doesn't see the problem with this plan. But at least they can rest comfortably knowing that the Musks, Sacks and Bezos' of the world will get a killer tax break for their next yacht.

American elections are the guy in the big suburban house complaining that filling up his F350 costs a little more than it did during COVID shutdowns and thinking that somehow the guy floating insane plans is going to fix it. It's bizarre.


> On every objective measure the US has the best economy it has had in...pretty much ever.

Except the one metric that really counts: People can't afford their basic needs.

> So they voted for "their own economic interests" by voting in a guy with plans that every economist says

You mean leftside selected economists with their own agenda.

> will be absolutely disastrous and will not only massively spike unemployment, it will lead to far greater prices for American consumers.

He had the lowest unemployment numbers in decades.


>People can't afford their basic needs.

Wage growth has far exceeded inflation in the United States. Americans as a whole have never, in history, been wealthier or consumed as much. This is one of those fun "you don't know what you've got until it's gone" things where people bought into a political narrative to such a degree that in their world-leading affluence they truly think they are hard done by and wronged. I sadly feel that a lot of Americans are going to learn that there is a long, long way to fall.

>You mean leftside selected economists with their own agenda.

If you really look at everything like this, that's incredibly sad and self-deluding. Trump's economic plans are scattered spitballing that sound like something the most ignorant person just randomly contrives. There is literally nothing Trump has proposed that would in any way improve the US economy or reduce prices of anything. But they absolutely would do the opposite. No one, ever, has convincingly described how Trump is going to improve the economy. It's just random score-settling and self-enriching nonsense.

>He had the lowest unemployment numbers in decades.

In Trump's first term he was constrained from doing much of anything, and actually accomplished shockingly little policy, just coasting on Obama's policies. In this term he will have zero checks. He can actually do the crazy nonsense he has proposed, and destroy the country.

There are two possible paths ahead for the United States-

-economic calamity with zero upside where people learn that tariffs aren't some magic thing that other countries pay. Where inflation truly starts going wild again, while federal services collapse and the oligarchs reap. Musk, Bezos and crew will never have it better. Many Americans will have it much worse.

-...or..., and what Trump voters repeatedly reveal they are assuming in voting for him, he just lied about everything he says he's going to do to get a vote and actually won't do anything much at all beyond some corruption and self-serving.

Either is pretty terrible. But here we are.


People always say this about working-class Republican votes but the exact same thing is true of many educated middle-class Democratic voters. If you work e.g. in big tech you will pay less taxes when Republicans set tax policy. Why aren't we calling tech worker Democrats stupid for voting against their own economic interests and higher taxes?


Now try and add some evidence?


Right. In the US, on politics and the issues, getting the information and "evidence" is a really big problem.

I have and/or have seen good evidence for all that I mentioned, but such evidence is NOT wanted by or common in the media which means that I have no well written, comprehensive, single reference to give.

Uh, YOU try: Write a document with good evidence, details, quotes, video clips, etc., and see how much interest the US MSM (mainstream media) has in publishing it!!! I predict you will regard your effort, no matter how carefully done, as a waste of time.

E.g., so far I've never seen even one credible graph over, say, the last 16 years, of, say, the US CPI (consumer price index). Same for budget deficits, spending bills, balance of foreign exchange, Fed loans, spending on the war in Ukraine (was there actually ANY spending or did we, instead, actually just ship war supplies produced in the US?) -- the actual details are absurdly messy, sloppy, missing, etc.

Clearly, bluntly the details do not SELL -- won't get a big audience.

To give good evidence here would exceed by several times the 10,000 bytes or so limit that Hacker News seems to have on a single post.

US media credibility? Here is evidence of biased, cooked up, gang up, pile on, organized mob attack from 2017:

     https://youtu.be/f1ab6uxg908
With that example, there is less than zero credibility. So, for your "evidence", don't expect that from the US media.

I wish, profoundly wish, have posted many times on social media, that the US news media should provide JUST such evidence, at least up to common standards of high school term papers. All that is no more than a spit into the wind -- the media does NOT want to expend bytes for such writing, documentation, evidence, etc.

So, here I did all I can do to respond to the question I quoted, apparently, from a European. Agree or not with what I wrote, but it is the best I can do under the circumstances. The question from Europe are not very deep; so I gave answers of similar depth. The speeches in the election were not very deep. The Trump statements at the economic clubs in Chicago and Detroit were deeper.

That's my explanation, best I can do, take it or leave it.

But, really for an accusation of "Nazi", etc. the "burden of proof is on the accuser". The rape? He said, she said. There in the dressing room of the department store, did she scream and get some witnesses? Nazi? Just what is the evidence that Trump has done anything like the Nazi stuff Hitler did? Felon? He has never gotten a sentence -- if he does, then he can appeal, win the appeal, and show that he is NOT a "convicted felon". So, no sentence. The papers case, the J6 case, the Georgia case, the "hush money" case -- all are falling apart due to appeals, etc. They are NOT legal cases but just efforts to misuse the legal system to have others, as here, believe he is a felon. But with the appeals, e.g., even to the SCOTUS, ALL of the cases are falling apart. My view is that the wrong here is from low level parts of the US legal system and not from Trump.

And where are the arguments about 10+ million illegal immigrants, the inflation, the attacks on US fossil fuel energy, the Ukraine war, the Gaza war, the Lebanon war, the hundreds of missiles from Iran, the promotion of biological men in women's sports, the lies about abortion (Trump sent the issue back to the states to decide), the bans on gas powered cars and trucks, etc.?


Traditional media generally requires having three different independent sources to publish.

You have failed to provide one.


What???? I'm posting on a case of social media and am not a "publisher" and am not writing a column for a "publisher".

Just what was I supposed to do but "failed" at?


"They are giving more money to people who are already ahead." They did that three times in Trump administration. Resulting in the largest deficit increase ever...

The pain ahead is realizing China is the new superpower. Tawain won't make it to 2028.


IIRC, Trump gave it to everyone whether they needed it or not. Perhaps there were more that I’m forgetting. But people who perceive themselves at the bottom rung (and are told they are by media and sometimes dems), will see it as unfair if people perceived higher up get something extra.

Of course the super rich are going to get themselves tons of benefits, but that remains in the abstract for most.

Trump may get lucky for the time being on China. They are struggling economically and may not have the desire to pick a fight right now. IMO, countries bordering Russia are under a more immediate threat.


PPP loan fraud disproportionately benefited already wealthy people who both had the means to navigate the bureaucracy and the lack of morals to steal.


I don't understand why the free speech rules everyone wants aren't also trying to be applied to these platforms.


There is an interesting argument here.

If Google was selling brand new books created only by taking snippets from other books, that would also fall under fair use?


They would, but openai isn't explicitly doing that either. You can probably smuggle a full copy of a book via snippets, but that doesn't put google on the hook for copyright infringement. Likewise if openai makes you jump through hoops to produce works verbatim they should be in the clear.


You might say that Sam Altman is not consistently candid...


I think the novelty is in getting WPA3 to downgrade.


https://www.copymethat.com/

CopyMeThat is free and is also the best technology purchase I have ever made.


I know this might sound crazy but DEI and ESG are revenue driven.


I know this might sound crazy but leftist orgs are revenue driven too.


As an NPR listener this garbage. NPR has covered almost everything he says they didn't.

He just didn't like how they covered them.

Even his stats aren't that great. Washington DC is 75% registered democrats and only 5% registered republicans.


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