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They legally own it in the sense that they are the legally registered owners, currently.

They do not legally own it in the sense that the original owner will not be able to eventually recover it after the fraud is unravelled.

Your instinct that this is odd is correct. It is odd because it isn't actually true. The statement of a police officer made while standing on the street outside someone's house deciding whose story to believe is not the final legal verdict on this case.


It is not different in the UK. This person will get their house back when the Land Registry has ticked all the boxes.

They were shocked by the reluctance of the police to enforce their property rights simply on their say-so. They were shocked by it because they hadn't really thought through how the system works. It is not the role of the police to evict someone who is the registered owner merely on the say-so of someone else who claims to have been defrauded. Clearly there are good reasons for this.

The article presents the facts as though they will never get their house back (with some creative ambiguity about what 'legal owner' means - does it mean the legally registered owner, regardless of any past fraud? or the actual rightful owner) because it makes a more interesting article than 'Man left annoyed after a painstaking legal process restores him his property rights'.


Why do you expect the police to investigate this?

If A says that B is trespassing on their property, and A not B is listed as the legal owner of the property according to the single source of truth, isn't it normal that the police should evict B and defend A's property rights?

Imagine if the police took the attitude "we have to give equal weight to B's hard luck story about how he's the technical owner". Harassment and vexatious claims of fraud would be absolutely rampant.


You are confusing who actually owned it, or who morally owned it, with who legally owned it.

The claim is not that, once the legal issues and the fraud get untangled, the buyer will be held to be the rightful owner. The claim is that AT THE MOMENT, while the 'new owner' is listed in the Land Registry as owning it, and the 'old owner' isn't, the 'new owner' temporarily legally owns it.

They have written this article as though to suggest that this is final and the original owner has no recourse. That isn't the case. What is the case is that the police don't have a remit to investigate the fraudulent sale. If person A is listed in the registry (they 'legally own' the property) and person B isn't, the police will follow person A's instructions to remove person B from the property, but not vice versa.


> AT THE MOMENT, while the 'new owner' is listed in the Land Registry as owning it, and the 'old owner' isn't, the 'new owner' temporarily legally owns it

Not an expert on British law, but I don't think this is the case. The new owner owns it.

Not temporarily. Fully, permanently and properly. The previous owner was fraudulently deprived of it, and can likely get damages from the parties who signed off on the conveyance. But I don't think they have the right to reverse the transaction against the new owner's will.


If you're not an expert on British law what makes you feel able to make such a confident and surprising claim?


> If you're not an expert on British law what makes you feel able to make such a confident and surprising claim?

The hubris of an internet commenter?

Also, it's not surprising. It's unusual for a common law country. But in most jurisdictions, particularly those on statutory law, if the buyer is unrelated to the fraudster and is in possession, the register cannot be altered [1].

This comes, in most places, out of the land registry being a reaction to protracted property disputes. (Often violent.)

[1] https://www.bdbpitmans.com/insights/how-to-deal-with-propert...


This is Hacker News. Confidently espousing on subjects we know little about is what we do.


Pretty sure it's not specific to HN. Any social media has this behavior.


> temporarily

I don't understand by what logic this sale is temporary? What mechanism can undo the sale?


This is irrelevant, no one using a VPN is also configuring a 'family-friendly' DNS resolver.


Why not?

I use a VPN to give my half-Danish children access to Danish TV from outside Denmark, and I also have, well, children who I might want to protect against evil content such as nipples. I don't do the latter but that has little to do with the fact that I use a VPN sometimes and more to do with the fact that we're not American and American ideas of what's "family friendly" feel extremely alien to us.

In fact, given that they have an option that blocks malware but not nipples, I might actually use this.


I mean, you don't seem to be a counter-example to the claim that "no one using a VPN is also configuring a 'family-friendly' DNS resolver".


How cool would it be to be able to only allow malware but not nipples? :D


Did you reply to the wrong comment?

This is a poem by Charles Bukowski, I don't know if it's the original use: https://poets.org/poem/so-you-want-be-writer


"So you want to do X" is a standard phrase which is used to introduce advice on how to do something, or why not to do it. See the poem "so you want to be a writer" by Charles Bukowski.


Without the "so", the title reads like an order.


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