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Your loss, Planetscale is an amazing product.

>This allows Neon to scale compute to zero

It sure does scale to zero alright...


Worse, an environmentalist.

You got me with the title and I was curious at first but then I got to the part where it shows the bill and realized this is just toy project.


You can tell if a project is a toy or not based on the bill? How about actually looking at what they do? https://digitalsociety.coop/

It's literally a agency doing professional development for others, among other services. Clearly not "toys".

HN dismissals are going down in quality, at least they used to be well researched some years ago. Now people just spew out the first thing that comes up in their mind, and zero validation before hitting that "reply" button.


It's really dismissive and frankly quite ignorant to have an attitude that just because a product doesn't have a massive AWS bill it's a toy project.

It's a rotten attitude, and judging a projects worth by an AWS bill is a very poor comparator. I could spin up a massive aws bill doing some pointless machine learning workloads, is that suddenly a valid project in your eyes?


>I could spin up a massive aws bill doing some pointless machine learning workloads, is that suddenly a valid project in your eyes?

Can you spin it on a AWS competitor for a fraction of a cost? Absolutely yes I would be interested in reading about it!


I will do - but my latest ML model is attempting to create leylines of different mcdonalds across the country, i don't think it's worthy of being considered product

Amazing DE, daily driving KDE(Kubuntu) on my desktop for couple of years now and I can't imagine anything better.


Comparison does not work, EU does very little compared to what the US/China administrations do, you'll have to add the cost of all the countries administration too.


The claim was that the EU is a money grab for Brussels time wasters. The cost of the EU bureaucracy is minimal.

What the member states spend, and if they do it well etc. is a totally separate question.


>selling to one of the hardest segments (developers who are notoriously frugal).

But they don't sell to developers, they sell to suits high in the food chain of a corporation.


I know many developers who buy Jetbrains licenses from their own pockets.


I'm one... I was introduced to JB by someone else who paid out of their own pocket 18 years ago. I thought he was crazy... then a couple years later I tried it in earnest and it was ... life (well career) changing.


Out of curiosity: do you know why they pay for it themselves instead of asking their company to do so?


Because not all "developers" are developers in their day jobs. I'm personally a sysadmin most of the time, and I do my own R&D (mostly academic, but novel).

Some tools I like are not free, and I buy licenses by myself.


Cause many developers have personal projects they cant use company resources on


I'm paying for their IDEs out of my pocket since 2012


TBH even that can be a hard sell at times


I bought my first Jetbrains license when they had an end of the world clearance sale. https://blog.jetbrains.com/blog/2012/12/20/jetbrains-end-of-...

... and haven't let it expire since.


This read like an episode from Portlandia.


It's basically the plot of Empire Records, the 1995 classic starring young Renée Zellweger and Liv Tyler. Except with a radical left bookstore instead of independent record store. And no happy ending.


Empire Records was anti-corporate. The record store goal needed to stay independent, under Joe's management, and they did want to actually pay money. They didn't strike and just demand to become owners.

Ironically though, there is a line by the owner of Empire Records on how he would be a rich man if his hippy father hadn't turned his grand fathers toilet emporium into a record store. But considering the state of record stores right now in the world, he is probably right, and long term a toilet store was a better option.


>Can someone explain to me why most browser forks are based on Chromium?

Because it's very very very good. Google poored billions into it and it shows.


Are you sure you posted the right article? There's nothing about Ruby or RubyGems in it.


The question was "Why was "platforming" DHH bad?". Some people disagree with the views represented in that linked blog post, and do not wish to sponsor events that showcase him.

Personally, I think DHH is a troll and would never be interested in sponsoring, or attending, an event that involved him.


There is, however, a whole lot that says a lot about the character of DHH in it, such as by repeating rhetoric of the UK's racist far-right.


Pushing everyone who doesn't have a 100% positive opinion on mass immigration under the label of "racist far-right" actively contributes to the strengthening of said "racist far-right". I hope you're aware of that.


Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon is openly racist and definitely far-right.


Maybe the problem is the native Brits. Because the link he posted shows that the third of London he calls Native British is just White British.

Do you think non-white can’t be native British. Is Idris Elba not native British?

After hie many generations are you native British or is it impossible if you are not white?

This isn’t about mass immigration, it’s just about immigration as such.

That’s far-right.


> Because the link he posted shows that the third of London he calls Native British is just White British.

The table doesn't distinguish "British" from "non-British" for non-white people, so it would be rather hard to account for that.

But if he's referring to an ethnicity (really a narrow group of ethnicities) rather than a nationality then of course that would entail a range of skin tones what people would normally call "white". And yes, that thinking would necessarily exclude Idris Elba.

But then if this is really about worrying about "white people", then why is he also excluding the non-British white people from his figure? Can it really not just be that there exists an English ethnicity (and Scottish and Welsh) that has been there for centuries and has nowhere else to go?

> This isn’t about mass immigration, it’s just about immigration as such.

There is no such distinction.

You ask "after how many generations are you native British"; I can equally well ask "after how many immigrants is it mass immigration".

The point is that the rate of immigration has been sufficient to completely overwhelm the native birthrate, causing a rapid demographic shift.

When the UK colonized India in the first place, the population did not become minority-Indian at all, let alone within the space of a couple of generations.


I'll note I'm white, but not native British, and none of the people in question tend to object to me being here. Often they make that explicit, by e.g. telling me that I'm "one of the good ones" or similar.

What instead often happen when they hear I'm Norwegian is a complete mask-off moment where they start explaining their favorite racist thinking to me, assuming that since I'm from a group they like, apparently I'm expected to agree with them (I do not).

My main exposure to anti-immigrant thinking face to face in London over the last 25 years have been repeated incidences of people who "just have concerns about immigration" revealing their racist motivations to me without me even asking them.

In other words: I don't buy it for a second when people try to insist it's immigration they care about, rather than seeing non-white faces.


> In other words: I don't buy it for a second when people try to insist it's immigration they care about, rather than seeing non-white faces.

Have any of them ever proposed to you to expel the established black families? If they're just being racist, you should naturally expect it to extend that far, right?


> Do you think non-white can’t be native British. Is Idris Elba not native British?

> After hie many generations are you native British or is it impossible if you are not white?

Consider the existence and meaning of the term "Native American", then ask yourself these questions again.


If speaking of problems caused by immigration makes you racist far-right means you effectively can't speak about those problems.

Having a city turn from majority British to British being minority means something very strange and damaging is happening.


Londinium was founded by foreigners; bloody Italians coming over here and establishing our capital, mutter mutter ...


You are mixing White/Non-White with British/Non-British


You assume that because you have bias. Over 40% of current residents of London are not born in Britain.


No, the entire claim is that DHH actually means "British" when he says "British", rather than meaning "white" because people say he does, because he's supporting Tommy Robinson, who also means it that way, because reasons.


DHH has not spoken about the problems caused by mass migration. Just lamenting the fact that a country is apparently less white than it used to be.

He also doesn't live here. What does he know about London?


british is not a color and no color is british apart maybe british racing green.


David Heinemeier Hansson, also known by his initials DHH, is a Danish programmer, writer, entrepreneur, and racing driver. He is the creator of Ruby on Rails, a web framework written in Ruby.[1]


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