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This has been their website for experiments for years. Its for people to try out and not for the entire world to use as yet. It has had a lot of fun stuff over the years


Is that true? I distinctly remember Google Labs being shut down during Larry's Google+ disaster years, and this article seems to bear it out: https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/google-shuts-down-google-la...

(This is also my personal nomination for the oft-asked "when did Google stop being unique and cool?").


G+ was okayish. the frantic push to use it everywhere was of course typical megacorp bullshit, but there was no real reason to shut it down, they could have kept the brand, use it as the glue between all the other things they have with profiles, sharing, social like yt, blogger, maps, photos...


Do you remember Google Wave? That was the last time Google had balls to try an new vision. The last day of exploration, after that it was just exploitation (make money).

A long time ago they even started a trend - 20% time for personal projects, that was an act of exploration, but now they lost their curiosity and playfulness.


They shut it down and then a few years later Discord was launched and the rest is history.


Really shows the importance of having a compelling UI and a coherent ability to describe what your product is, both of which were sorely lacking in Google Wave.


I agree, G+ the product was fine. Some very good things came out of it (video Hangouts, Google Photos). The push to force it down everyone's throat marked a turning point in my perception of Google and resulted in a bunch of harmful changes and loss of trust. Shutting it down eventually made sense - the brand had zero cachet and no significant population was using it. As an IC or manager within Google, there wasn't much you could do for your career by working on G+. It was a dead end product by the time it was shut down.


Photos came out of cloudifying Picasa, no?

Okay, sure, it made sense to shut it down, but to me it would make sense to do a new one today for the aforementioned reasons (use cases).

(But of course somehow most of Alphabet is still tragicomically bad at B2C, and now YT also seems to be going down the drain with the overemphasis on shorts.)


Ok. Well Google can't just pretend that generative A.I. isn't having a massive moment, and the company has a lot more riding on the future of this particular technology than just an "experiment." They’ve had a weak sauce launch, and while it’s nice there’s a website to launch experiments I don’t think it’s helpful with audience perception of the company.

Maybe it’s time to up their game.


Most of the ones zig is slightly slower than rust are due to a less than performative bignum implementation. All the rest zig handily beats rust


Kind of shows how many rewrites of the rust code are needed to equalize or surpass the zig implementations which are much simpler to write


It's not a good idea to use this site (or the Computer Language Benchmarks Games https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmarksgame/ that it is partially based off) as an indicator of how may rewrites are necessary in order to generate good programs. The skill levels of the contributors and the size/popularity of the various programming language communities can vary a lot. The benchmark rules have been changing over time and contributors have been figuring out better algorithms over time so these both result in the contributed programs getting updated over time as well. Older programming languages have been around longer than newer programming languages and will have had more contributed programs consequently. Some programming languages are under more active development so require more revamps of existing programs. Etc...


That's the point isn't it. The skill level of the programmer is also dependent on how easy the language is to pick up


You could certainly make an argument that an easier language allows a programmer to reach a certain skill level faster or maybe even reach a higher peak skill level. By extension you could also argue that, by some definitions, the skill level of that language's community might be higher. However assuming you had equally skilled Rust and Zig programmers, I think it is wrong to say that the Rust programmers would require more rewrites to match or surpass the Zig programmers.


That isn't something the website was intended to show.

That isn't something the website does show.


It does show it with the number next to the language


Nope.

Language A programs can be implemented in language B without being "independently written".

1.zig may have been based on 9.rs.


Additionally, there are multiple reasons why one programming language might have nine different programs:

-The programs could have been written by someone who prefers to make small iterations and perform many submissions instead of someone who likes to make bigger changes with fewer submissions.

-The programs could be submitted by a novice who needs to make more submissions than would be required by a pro.

-The programming language may be older and has had more submissions.

-The programming language may be more actively changing and requires more updates in order to fix old programs.

-The programmers may also be making more submissions to improve other characteristics like memory usage, code size, code readability, compatibility, etc... that are unrelated to performance.


In short, previously the benchmarks game explicitly stated that the program numbers were arbitrary and signified nothing; and the same reasoning applies to hanabi1224's website.


Don't know what you are doing? But Bard is so much faster than openai and its answers are clearer and more succint.


This is just... false. Bard is not just a little worse than gpt-4 for coding, it's more like several orders of magnitude worse. I can't imagine how you are getting superior outputs from Bard.


Can you give an example of a prompt and the output for each that you find Bard to be better for?


I'd be surprised if he can. Both accounts that are purporting how useful Bard is (okdood64, pverghese) have comment histories defending or advocating for Google frequently:

Examples:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35224167#35227068

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35303210#35360467


It's completely free. No tokens nothing.


But it can't be used unless I enable billing, which I am not willing to do after reading all the horror stories about people getting billed thousands overnight. I'm not willing to take the risk that I forget some script and it keeps creating charges.


Use a CC or debit that can limit charges. Privacy.com is a generic one. There’s others. Also Capital One, Bank of America, Apple Card and maybe some others have some semblance of control over temporary CCs.

Ideally one would want to be able to have a cap on the amount that can be spent in a given period.

Thanks for this! I had a temporary Cap One card on my cloud accounts. I’m going to switch them to Privacy.com ones to limit amount if I can’t find another solution.


The mods dont want anymmore rust drama. Keeps happening every month like clockwork though for some reason


Why are you calling for segregation? We have didn't years trying to move the world forward and yet you persist in trying to move backwards


We discriminate tuition based on national (even state!) origin. That's not physical segregation but it has the same result.

I'm calling for schools to just create a "international student focused" campus where they can collect all the rich international students, let them party and cheat for 4 years, collect the outrageous tuition, and shield the indigenous students from their bullshit.


Nobody will wait for seconds for responses when the competition provides it quicker even if it is a little worse


If you are making sch wild claims, atleast do it without an anonymous account. Otherwise your claims are just dubious.


> The Federal Rules of Civil Procedure required Google to suspend its auto-delete practices in mid-2019, when the company reasonably anticipated this litigation. Google did not.

How the hell is this a thing. I can understand if they did this post litigation being filed then it would be a problem.

How is a company supposed to anticipate when and where the government is going to file charges and keep records for them waiting.

If the government was concerned they should have filed the lawsuit sooner not in 2020


It's very much a thing. The question is whether Google in preparation for an upcoming court action decided to start throwing records away. People don't get away with that before a divorce, before selling a company, or in any other situation.


In October 2019 the DoJ served Google with a Civil Investigative Demand asking for documents relating to its ad tech business and various other subjects. A month earlier, in September 2019, attorneys general for 49 states announced an investigation into Google's ad tech business, led by Texas AG Ken Paxton.

Would it be reasonable for Google to have anticipated this litigation in 2019 after those events.


> How is a company supposed to anticipate when and where the government is going to file charges and keep records for them waiting.

It is not just the government, evidence preservations rules attach for any relevant documents at the point where litigation is either initiated, or is, or reasonably should be, anticipated, regardless of whether the government is a party to the regulation. In the specific case of government action, knowledge of existence and subject matter of a government investigation generally provides a basis on which litigation on the subject should be reasonably anticipated (ditto with, e.g., an explicit threat of litigation by a private party. This is well-established law.


If you and I have a private dispute, you sue, and I tell your lawyers I shredded everything related to the case because I routinely shred my papers at the end of each month, even if that's true, I'm probably going to settle for more than had I maintained records. (Assuming I wasn't blatantly lying.) The shred-it-all approach has its upsides. But it also comes with liability.


After you sue, if you shred then you are in trouble. How do you anticipate what documents you need and when a legal suit is going to be filed by an unrelated party


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