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This means that this person isn't desperate enough to make money. Otherwise, they would have taken any job.

But I also understand them, if they don't like the offering and also have enough money or don't have to have a job to reside in their country then why not.


Thanks for your post! Is there a way to add a comment there?


You're welcome.

Unfortunately not - the page is a html export from a markdown editor (Typora), not a blog engine.


You can't copy a method from a class and then paste it in the REPL, it will complain about indentation.

Workarounds:

1) copy whole class

2) remove indentation before copying


That's only a problem in the base python interpreter. IPython has handled this well for over 20 years.


No, but I think that diplomacy layer did a horrible job in stopping that conflict early. They signed the Minsk agreements just to ignore them later


Nice media-led narrative.

The real reason is that the US cannot compete fairly


Is rampant IP theft and corporate espionage considered fair in your book?


Whose rampant IP theft are you referring to?


Hollywood from Edison...

> Thomas Edison's aggressive patent enforcement in the early days of filmmaking, particularly his control over motion picture technology, played a significant role in the development of Hollywood as the center of the film industry. Driven by a desire to control the market and eliminate competition, Edison's lawsuits and business practices pushed independent filmmakers westward, ultimately leading them to establish studios in Los Angeles, away from Edison's legal reach.


China is the pretty obvious answer in this context.


Odd. I’d think it’d be all the companies in the US ignoring IP and copyright laws.


Examples please.


This source provides on-going case numbers for court litigation:

https://www.bakerlaw.com/services/artificial-intelligence-ai...

Seems like it would be a definitive list to me as it shows US AI companies getting sued for copyright infringement.


So you're capable of knowing what the judges will decide on these cases? You've already decided that they are liable for what they're accused of?

And, isn't this the system working exactly how it is supposed to? Someone makes a claim and the courts decide, and then some kind of punishment will be doled out of the claim was found to be true?


You're changing the the topic of conversation, you asked for cases and now you want judgements as well.


No, I'm not. You made the claim " I’d think it’d be all the companies in the US ignoring IP and copyright laws" - and then point to ongoing cases, where the outcome hasn't even been decided yet. They may be ignoring IP and copyright laws, but no one knows whether they are or aren't yet.


I'm sure the parties suing the defendants feel very differently than you.


What exactly does fairly look like to you? Uyghurs in camps, suicide nets strung around factories?

Like, even if you just want to talk about protectionism, China is way worse than the US pre-Trump. "Fairly" has nothing to do with foreign policy.


I recall kids in cages back before trump was around. The US doesn't exactly have a clean track record when it comes to human rights and international law yet they are quick to point the finger at anyone else when they cross the line.

[1] https://www.aclu.org/news/smart-justice/president-obama-want...


There is a vast distance between putting unaccompanied minors in holding cells and what Trump is doing.

No nation is perfect, but the US has historically been better than many others.


What are you talking about


>> It's about China being expansionist

Citations? Apart from usual Western government propaganda outlets perhaps?


They are aiming for world domination by buying themselves into businesses all over the planet and by building up a very large army. But that’s just normal human behavior I guess.

The problem is rather that if the only moral compass is the communist party it will suck


It's a bit rich to attribute goals of world domination to buying into businesses all over the world and building a very large army.

By those metrics, the rest of the world should have been terrified by the US for the last 60 years...

Those are necessary precursors to aggressive expansionism, but insufficient without political will.


Context matters, who is leading that machinery? They seem to have the political will to invade.


Taiwan is a tricky case. The CCP isn't unjustified in making a claim to it. Granted: that claim is contrary to international norms, law, and the population's self determination.

But if China were only threatening to invade Taiwan it would be a gray area.

Imho, their claims in the South China Sea are much more obviously expansionist, given the settled cases against them under international law.

Much easier to see those boiling over into China invading a few populated islands of the Philippines.


Interesting, I don't recall Iran having to flying bombers for 36 hours to bomb a US military base...


Okay so thanks very much. That's not really a citation that's an opinion?

To translate what you're saying. The Chinese are trying to establish the same kind of global trade collaboration that Europe and the US have done for the past hundred and x years? But the Chinese civilization is over 2000 years old, and they had a much larger global trade network back when the west was a pile of wooden shacks and feudal barbarism?

They're also building up a large army in in the same way that the US and Europe have with NATO? I'm also not really sure what's wrong with the moral compass of the Chinese communist party? From what I can see at the moment it is authoritative, but not necessarily venal?

It seems that the Chinese people themselves are enjoying a pretty good standard of living and quality of life? I've only been there two or three times, but I never saw the same kind of deprivation in China that I saw behind the Iron Curtain for instance.


> I'm also not really sure what's wrong with the moral compass of the Chinese communist party? From what I can see at the moment it is authoritative, but not necessarily venal?

It's certainly corrupt. Xi didn't launch major, disruptive anti-corruption drives for no reason, but because he saw it as an existential threat to the CCP's legitimacy (after all, it did torpedo the Soviet Union).

Granted, an alternate rationale was internecine power struggles within the party and removing political enemies, but there was some real corruption.

The strongman argument against the CCP's moral compass is that it has no concept of or respect for individual rights: the party is above all.

Historically, this has always ended tragically because eventually it will be abused to either justify suffering or party gain at the expense of people.

Authoritarianism only works until someone bad grabs the reigns, and single-party non-democratic systems have a way of rewarding sociopaths.


I think stones in glass houses comes to mind right now? :)


The fact that the US still has functioning separation of powers is counter evidence.

People may gripe about fuzzy areas being stepped on and norms pushed (and they should gripe!), but there's a huge chasm between separation of powers in democracies and China.


Calling in the marine guard without congress approval seems a little bit un-separate, but I'm not an expert so I'm not going to continue this conversation. You have an opinion and I have my very inexpert one too.


The Marines were rebased within the bounds of Constitutional and legal powers, as was the National Guard federalization and deployment.

Not agreeing with a thing doesn't make it illegal.

If Congress wants to prohibit Presidents from pushing these areas, then they're free to do so. (And expect they will once the clock tocks)


Good that you're not a policy maker. I'll order something from temu today


Thanks for your help in destroying the planet I guess.


Environment protection in the EU

good:

- replace plastic straws/cups with paper based ones

questionable:

- limit nicotine products to 10ml, so now instead of buying one bottle (200ml for example) of nicotine you have to buy 20 bottles 10ml each - ???


The nicotine bottle size constraint is a safety concern. Spilling a 200ml bottle of nicotine easily has the potential to cause lethality or morbidity through skin absorption, particularly in children. A 10ml bottle can still cause injury, but it is way more likely to be survivable.

In this case, the safety concerns outweigh the environmental concerns.


> good:

> - replace plastic straws/cups with paper based ones

This belongs at least in "questionable" if not just "bad"


I'm so out of the vice loop. What nicotine products do you buy in a bottle?


I don't use them, but I'd assume vape juice.


For users who aren't familiar with 4chan - this post describes only one board - /pol/, where you can find hateful posts about every race and religion. 4chan have 30+ boards in total


To add context, every male in my high school went on that site. Pol was just a place crazy people posted. We used to laugh and read eachother dumb copypastas at lunch with gorgonzola cheese rhymes and bad puns.

The average 15yo boy have enough mental hygiene to know everything you read online is false. The website is not a nazi factory.


Hmm, I'm not sure all 15 year old boys do, though: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Buffalo_shooting


Do you remember when people thought first person shooters made people into murderers because the colombine guy played doom a lot and made a custom wad to simulate the attack?

If a murderer eats omelettes every day we should ban eggs. Eggs turn people into murderers.

Reminder some kids died jumping off buildings with umbrellas after Marry Poppins. Ban movies.


Nitpicking:

a) It seems that no one actually saw the school map to state that it really exists.

b) Doom maps are flat 2D blueprints with varying floor heights, they are quite unsuitable to “simulate” any building with multiple floors, not to mention complete lack of realism in everything else in the game (say, player has a speed of a car relative to the environment). There are some tricks in modern ports to combine detached level geometry into seemingly whole thing for niche maps, but those were not available at the time.

c) Trying to copy one's own school, house, or city block is the most stereotypical thing kids do when they find the level design tools. I remember quite a number of Counter-Strike maps that were nice at least visually, if not gameplay-wise, which were made that way. Surely, not everyone put that much work into a typical map made to play a couple of times with friends.

It seems that cases of overreaction to such funny nonsense that still happen after 30 years, despite everything, are something to scratch your head about.

The real situation is more complex. Harris did use game metaphors: https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Columbine_High_School_massacre Of course, those cliches are not unique to Doom, and were just borrowed from comics and fantasy. We should generalise. The real hypocrisy is that people like to enjoy media and entertainment about The Hero domination everything and everyone, and don't want to be restricted in consuming that, but, at the same time, they don't like to become mere film extras that get shot by the dozen when some idiot believes in that fantasy a bit too much, and decides to live the dream. This is not limited to shootings. If you hate people so much, but instead of getting guns and ammo get yourself hired by social network data extraction press, it's not a straight path to electric chair, but a “successful IT career”. If you read trashy action packed novels, and consider that crippled offspring of romanticism as ideal life, you can try that high-adrenaline amusement ride, as long as it happens in some distant land, and can be called “military career” by others.

So media and entertainment significantly shape everyone's life, but limiting that argument to a small number of scapegoat cases is cowardice.


The general point though is if 99.999% of people doing a thing are fine, but one wacko who likes the thing does a shooting, the evidence for causal connection between the thing and the wackos impetus is beneath the noise floor.

If you are trying to make the argument that The Heros Journey is subtely toxic and evil, well thats just too sophisticated an argument for me. 70% of humanity believes in god. We live beyond truth and measure. Welcome to monkey planet.


There's a difference between monkey-see-monkey-do and intentional group self-radicalisation. You don't become a racist neo-Nazi teenage mass murderer de novo.


A subset of the population will always be murderous and delusional about something. Just a fact of biology that not everyone is physically or mentally fit.


Sure. It's probably not a good thing we have spaces designed to cook the brains of users to the extent that their weakest links are driven to act on their worst impulses and commit ideologically-driven murder, though.

I'm generally on the side of free speech, but having visited /pol/, I can't say it is/was a good place for its inhabitants or society at large.


I didn't realize ideologically-driven murder was an internet phenomenon


Perhaps the average one does, but some get sucked in, and if there's no Nazi factory where are all the nazis coming from?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqx4wlynjw5o

How many mass shooters had obvious 4chan radicalization roots? Christchurch definitely.

> everything you read online is false

In its own way, this is also poisonous. It enables holocaust denialists and anti-vaxxers: after all, vaccines and holocaust memorials are on the mainstream internet, so they must be false, right?


Next you will be asking for trump to ban rap music to stop drug trafficking


A healthy skepticism is good.

Have you gone on social media recently? It is like 90% nonfactual weirdness. Even here on hackers news its tons of mutually exclusive unfalsifiable assertions of perspective, not fact.

I dont know about your family, but mine is pretty religious. Listening to their conversation during thanksgiving gives me about a 90% nonfact rate.

I think humans are just are not beings of fact in general.


They didn’t in 4chans heyday and they certainly don’t now. Hell, adults with decades of life experience can’t figure this out either.


> The average 15yo boy have enough mental hygiene to know everything you read online is false. The website is not a nazi factory.

The real problem is when the internet leaks and boomers assume everything they read online is true.

Worst part of it all? My parents always told me not to trust what's on the internet, and now I have to tell them 99% of what they see on FB or whatever is AI trash and lies.


Adding even more context /pol/ is about who can be the most edgy edgelord of the hour. I doubt there are more than half a dozen actual racists people on it not counting 4Chan-GPT.


It's not hard to find people with a racist /pol/er's opinions in real life, or on other social media like Instagram or Twitter. Maybe /pol/ in particular is/was filled with bots, I don't know, but such extreme racism is not as uncommon as you imply these days.


They put on a good show. Real racist people post videos of the f&#$ed up things they do to others that I won't even describe here. They know better than to use a clear-web site especially one using a CDN to show off their behavior. Those forums are on Tor.

4chan is nearly all angsty edgy teens on their cell phones at school trying to act tough and edgy and even they get arrested when talking tough about cops or pulling shenanigans like defacing or vandalizing property to be cool. That's a different interesting topic. Search youtube for all the 4chan unstable kids getting arrested. It's on-par with all the unstables vandalizing Tesla cars.


Well, I believe you that there are lots of kids there that try to seem racist for 4chan cred, and I guess people would know not to post videos of themselves doing those illegal things.

But I remember they had stuff like "n*gger chimpout" compilation threads, and whenever people talk about what they blame on Jews, they seem to be actually bitter and angry, so they do seem legitimately racist. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a lot of overlap with the people who do commit those acts of violence you're talking about, but even if not, I don't think you could say they're not real racists just because they don't post videos of themselves committing violent hate crimes. The board is just diluted by low-effort threads and bait by users of other boards.


But I remember they had stuff like "ngger chimpout" compilation threads*

I guess that's why we don't really see quite eye-to-eye on this. I've seen all those threads and to me that's just kids being edgy because they know it triggers or activates people. Every group has it's trash and they are just singling out one specific groups shenanigans. The same behavior can be found of every breed of human and they would post it if it was edgy to do so. My breed has no shortage of dumb behavior but when it's posted people feel comfortable laughing at it thus it's not edgy or taboo enough.

As a side note, most of the kids on 4chan are also here on HN. They talk about this site, its users and dang all the time. I'm sure they are not happy that I am pointing out they are just LARPing.


Compilation threads like those seem to me more like ways to make each other angrier and more racist. I think they legitimately just hate black people. Like, there's definitely some element of smug self-aware memey edginess about being racist, but there's also unironic vitriolic racism. But yeah, I guess we just disagree here on this.


It doesn't even describe /pol/. This is what 4chan thinks of /pol/ but when you actually go there there is a pluriformmity of opinions and it's indeed mostly just about current events.

The biggest good thing that came out of 4chan and 8chan to me is that it made me extremely weary to ever trust second-hand reports about some place and made me better at identifying reports that read like “This person dislikes this place, never visited it, and just reasons together what it's like.”. It also made me try Tumblr. I heard terrible things about it how it was filled with “social justice warriors” and stuff and unsurprisingly, when actually trying it it was nothing like that and just a fairly chill place where people mostly blog about fiction and pornography and share their thoughts. Even when ignoring the filter and logging out and going to what is trending, almost no content is political.

I remember when 8chan went down and all the news reports and forum posts basically said it was basically Stormfront but I was there at the time and it was nothing like that. People just posted cat memes, talked about fiction, talked about life and dating and stuff. One had to dig on very specific boards to find that kind of content.

People talk a lot about “places”, online or offline or even fiction that they clearly have no firsthand experience with, and just reason together about what it's like. They just “expect it to be like that” based on some image they create in their head, or some cherry picked examples they've seen and start to treat it like fact. It's especially weird when it's about something they clearly don't like, some kind of book or television series of which, despite clearly disliking it, they can supposedly tell you exactly what it's like... well, they've never seen it, they just reasoned it together in their head based on some things they read about it and their own expectations.

I frequent 4chan a lot; it's nothing like this description indeed. I don't frequent /pol/ because I found the discussions to be completely empty but I tried it and it was nothing like that. Even within 4chan I read all sorts of things about other boards that are just not true when actually visiting them. /pol/ isn't a far right echo chamber, /r9k/ isn't full of lonely incels, /lgbt/ isn't some social justice warrior hub despite what one might read about those places on other boards.


This is /pol/ focused, yes, but the other boards aren't separate worlds. It's all part of what many call the "alt-right pipeline" and it's subtle and insidious.

For example, many (particularly women) have consumed Candace Owens's content about the Blake Lively / Justin Baldoni saga, just like many followed certain creators with the Amber Heard trial. Both of thse fall squarely on the alt-right pipeline.

So you may start folloing 9gag. Particularly if you're young, you may enjoy being "edgy" but a bunch of that is actually normalizing right-wing views. Even seeking validation on /b/ fits this.


How is this different from, for example, reddit? You may start following reddit, niche subreddits, but in reality it's normalizing left-wing views


>Candace Owens's content about the Blake Lively / Justin Baldoni saga, just like many followed certain creators with the Amber Heard trial.

No offense, but this just sounds like gossip


How "subtle and insidious" is it really? I'd say it is shifting the blame of personal responsability to a website. Me and some of my friends use(d) 4chan and we never fell into the pipeline. To the contrary there is a strong left-wing camarederie. And I'd wager that we recognize subtle right-wing views more easily. One doesn't learn about these views by looking at a twitter screenshot but by engaging them.

We should stop treating right-wing ideology as a mind-parasite. And if we do it anyways, we should accept that some people want to get "infected".


So insidious you could be alt-right without even knowing!


Sorry, but you don't find any of that shit in /k/ or /m/ or a dozen of the other most popular boards on the site.

You literally are making shit up.


Well that's OK then.

/s


> When China was content to make stuff and not invade places

Can you tell me more about Chinese invasions?

> saying it will take back Taiwan

Should the world cancel the USA because it is saying something about annexing Canada\Greenland?


>Should the world cancel the USA because it is saying something about annexing Canada\Greenland?

Not the world, but If I were Canada\Denmark, I would think twice about if I rely on the US for defense and arms.

That said Taiwan is a red herring.

Im not sure the US policy has a coherent strategy. If there is one, it is that US economic and military hegemony is waning with global economic growth.

Negative sum strategies are valid in war and power competition. If a global recession hurts the rest of the world less than US, that could be a strategic win.


> Should the world cancel the USA because it is saying something about annexing Canada\Greenland?

Of course, how is that even a question?


I think they wanted to hear that it’s ok to invade other countries. Despite China being very pragmatic in all matters, China’s view on Taiwan is highly irrational. They want to have it because… well, just because. At the same time they manage to mostly ignore the territories that have been stolen by the Russian Empire. From the practical standpoint they actually have a better chance to regain the Russian territories gradually (through negotiations). I mean, Taiwan can be invaded, but it will be a scorched earth type of invasion making it entirely pointless.


Saying China wants Taiwan “just because” over simplifies the situation.

During the Chinese Communist Revolution the previous government of China retreated to Taiwan. The official name of the Taiwanese government is “Republic of China”, demonstrating that their legitimacy stretches back to this time period.

While Chinese settlers in Taiwan dates back further, China claimed the island in the 17th century. The island was under Japanese rule for about 50 years, before being returned to China in the post WW2 treaties.

The history is deep, and Taiwanese independence is a relatively new thing.


I think it is fair to say conquest of Taiwan has always been an issue of national pride for the PRC. It isn't a national security threat.

It is based on a manifest destiny ideology that the PRC is the only legitimate heir of Chinese culture and history, and sole rightful ruler of all people of Chinese descent.


I would say it’s a potential national security threat. The Taiwanese government does call itself The Republic of China.

From a security standpoint it would be like if a group of US politicians and other elites took over Cuba and called themselves The Republic of The United States. Yeah, an island nation wouldn’t win a fight, but their intentions are in the title.


That seems like a very modern and loose definition of "national security threat" which means anything not in the regime's interest.

ROC is not going to conquer or invade PRC. The is ideological and presented by ROC merely existing.


It’s part of the first island chain, of course it’s a national security threat.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_island_chain



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