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Yes, but the single-floppy live system with a desktop and a browser came much later. ;-)

Oooooh, that's a blast from the past! I used to use LiteStep for about 6-9 months in 2000, before I started using GNU/Linux.

At the end, I had really beautiful (to my eyes, back then) and very functional desktop, but something went wrong when I made backup before installing SuSE Linux 7.0, so months of vigorous customizing were lost. :-(

But it was fun while it lasted. There were a number of alternative desktop shells in the Windows 95/98 era.


I'm a little sad to see i386 go, but I understand the reasoning. Lots of Linux distros have gone down the same route, and I don't there hasn't been a new PC sold in the last 15 years that wasn't 64-bit.

But I am happy to read about the unification of freebsd-update and pkg.

Other than that, I don't find anything in the release notes to excite me, just more of the same goodness. Which is fine by me, I appreciate the reliability.

Thanks to everyone who made this possible! <3


I vaguely recall there was a case a few years back where a patient had been cured of HIV. But they had effectively their entire immune system wiped out by radiation therapy or something along those lines, and then received a bone marrow transplant from a healthy donor. So not something that could easily be replicated in many patients.

Still, that is big news, considering how many people have died from HIV, and how many still live with the virus. Treatment has come a long way - I remember how it was practically a death penalty in the 1990s; but a complete cure would be so much better than depending on medication for the rest of one's life. I don't think this is the breakthrough, but it is proof that search for a cure is not futile.


> I don't think this is the breakthrough

Definitely not. Five year survival rate for stem cell transplants is about 50%. People with HIV now have effectively normal life expectancies provided that they're treated. Even if this worked reliably, it would be _very_ much a case of the cure being worse than the disease.


How much of that low survival rate is due to the condition they received the transplant, though? Conceivably a patient with "just" HIV might do better than one with eg. leukemia and HIV.

That said, IIUC the whole stem cell transplant procedure is unpleasant enough that it still might not be worth it.


About half?

"The major cause of death is relapse, which accounts for approximately 40% of all deaths, followed by infections at 25% and graft-versus-host disease (GVHD) at 20%."

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S266663672...

A good friend of mine died from a C. Diff infection in the hospital after a bone marrow transplant. It is very risky, especially with an imperfect match.

That said, you can help make it less risky! This used to be called "Be The Match", not sure why they renamed it but you could save someone's life by registering to be a donor:

https://www.nmdp.org/


I donated bone marrow through Be the Match (before they changed their name). It was painful, but I highly recommend the experience to folks whenever it comes up.

You get to save the life of a stranger AND they give you a t-shirt. Win win!


I think its been done a few times [1]. Crudely put: try to wipe out as much of the immune system then replace with stem cells from a donor. Previously they used donors who had a gene mutation that made them HIV resistant, but this was with 'normal' genes. But a stem cell transplant may have worse survivability than HIV for many people

[1] https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/7th-person-hiv-cu...


https://www.webmd.com/hiv-aids/hiv-remission

There is at least one documented case of someone using anti-retroviral therapy, getting their viral load down to undetectable, stopping the therapy and remaining undetectable for years without continued therapy. They use the word "remission" rather than "cure" because there are fragments of viral dna that remain in your cells and it's possible for a "reservoir" of inactive virus to exist and activate, so there will always be regular testing involved in any attempt to eliminate the virus entirely, but whether it technically counts as "cured" becomes a nearly-moot point when one is able to live the same way that someone who has never been exposed lives save for the testing.


I know what you were getting at but I think it’s important to point out that people don’t actually die from HIV they die from AIDS which is caused by HIV.


I'm probably 30 years late in asking this, but why does it strike you as an important distinction?


Why would it not be? It's like the distinction between "a crocodile" and "being mauled" or "a credit card" and "crippling debt"; while they may frequently co-occur, either can exist without the other. Further, recognizing that they are distinct allows you to build causal models, which are vital to taking productive action.


Honest question: Are there alternative ways people can get AIDS? If so, it's news to me.


Various other viral (and even less commonly, microbial) challenges, though it's rare. HIV is special in this regard because it's the only example (so far as I know) that's transmissible.


I love this album. I often listen to it when programming, Ambient (or more generally: calm, instrumental music) helps me focus.


> I love this album. I often listen to it when programming

Me too. Its been a coding zone favourite of mine for many years.

The classical/instrumental version by Bang on a Can [1] is good too.

[1] https://www.discogs.com/release/1140705-Bang-On-A-Can-Brian-...


All of his and his brother, Roger's albums are great for this reason. I would recommend Svaneborg Kardyb as well, who are a great instrumental band.


This album helps me wake up, helps me go to sleep, helps me focus, and keeps me centered. Eno's works are so versatile.

Another favorite is Eno's Discreet Music. Gives me chills every time. One of my favorite records to fly to.


Do you have any recommendations?


Sleep by Max Richter is great (and very long)

Sunset Mission by Bohren & Der Club of Gore is very very sleepy Jazz (they have released more albums, but this one is my favorite by a wide margin)

Long Ambients 1 & 2 by Moby - he was kind enough to make them available for download free of charge, too

Under Wires and Search Lights by Marconi Union

In A Silent Way by Miles Davis

Pretty much anything by Sigur Rós. It's not strictly speaking instrumental, but the lyrics are Icelandic, which I don't speak, so it's close enough

Cocteau Twins recorded many very ambient-ish albums. Not instrumental, but the "lyrics" are mostly glossolalia, so not distracting (at least for me).


No particular order:

Max Richter, John Cage, Tangerine Dreams, Klaus Schulze, Gavin Bryars, Richard Chartier, Asmus Tietchens, Tomaga, Boards of Canada, Stars of the Lid, William Basiniki, Joanna Brouk, Pauline Oliveros ...

I do way too much coding...


> Pauline Oliveros

Yes yes yes! Finally someone who won't make fun of me for listening to Horse Singd from a Cloud.

You should add Laurie Spiegel to your list, something tells me you'd enjoy.


"Deep Listening" by Pauline Oliveros, Stuart Dempster and Panaiotis is also excellent:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U__lpPDTUS4


> Laurie Spiegel

Just listening to "Appalachian Grove I" - Nice, thanks for the tip :thumbsup:



Excellent recs.

If anyone reading this like Bohren & Der Club of Gore, also check out Kilimanjaro Darkjazz Ensemble.

And if you vibe with Sigurd Ros, check out Godspeed You! Black Emperor too.


Drone Zone on SomaFM (free internet radio) was how I discovered a lot of that stuff. Although they don't play the old classics as much these days, it's still good and they have a few similar stations there https://somafm.com/player24/station/dronezone


I generally find Deep Space One more appropriate for most of my coding, though I used Drone Zone a lot many years ago.

I've been supporting SomaFM for more than 20 years now, and am so grateful for it. Not just the ambient stuff, but Secret Agent and several others too.


Loscil - First Narrows album is great and was used in the game Osmos.

Ulrich Schnauss - Far Away Trains Passing by Album, particularly the songs "passing by" and "knuddelmous"

Kromattic "song "porcelain"

Peardiver - song "hangout"

lechiffrebeats - song Moonlight Garden

Lori Travel - song "apple lamp"

King of Woolworths - Song "Theydon"

Aisake - song "autumn Leaves"

Christopher Willits - song "wide"

Northscape - song "approaching the trig point"

Kiasmos - song "blurred"

Celer - song "Diphenhydramine"

Tony Anderson - song "Ariana"

East Forest - Album "Music for Mushrooms: A soundtrack for the Psychedelic Practitioner"

If you're on Apple Music, look for the shared playlist Lo-Fi Chill: https://music.apple.com/ca/playlist/lo-fi-chill/pl.1d5ead185...


For me - Aes Dana (Season 5 is still my favorite) and Carbon Based Lifeforms (Hydroponic Garden, World of Sleepers, Interloper).

Actually, check out the whole Ultimae catalogue: https://bandcamp.com/ultimae


Carbon Based Lifeforms are amazing.


Their album World of Sleepers is my favourite from them.


Sadly they peaked pre 2010 and then slowly became average.. Was huge fan on the days and saw them live once and DJ set another time..


I guess I agree (used to be a massive 90's EBM collector together with my ex, though I kind of got out of the loop of EBM end of 00's / start of 10's). Seeing a Woob album from 1994 recommended a few comments below <3 for CBL, I do like the track ~42 degrees.

How we used to find music: go to the record store every week to listen to whatever you couldn't afford, look at P2P networks at people who like similar music as you, and browse their collections. Eventually, use Discogs to search. Or simply talk with other people (at parties, on the internet) who also like the same music.

How we can find music nowadays: Spotify (and such). I mean, seriously. Their suggestions can open you up to a plethora of new artists. If you then look at the top 10, chances are you'll like some of their work. I found a lot of music this way, for all kind of genres. As Valve's Gabe used to say: piracy is a service problem. Though I am not sure Spotify is so good for the artists, given they earn pennies via that.

..and it is still nowhere to getting and downloading and listening 24/7 to every new release (or, well... trying to), using SMB to the NAS (which automatically gets the releases from a scene FTP) and Winamp locally to add some .m3u files.


I recommend Stair (2:22:22) by datassette for focus and ambient background. The artist recorded the sound of downtown Chicago overnight from his hotel and then processed and mixed this together with processed sounds from MS-DOS strategy game soundtracks from the 80s. Brilliant.

https://datassette.bandcamp.com/track/stair-2-22-22


Datassette has a site with mixes, from himself and others, all "intended for listening while ${task} to focus the brain and inspire the mind."

Concerning games, Datassette released a brilliantly beautiful arcade shooter called (Utopia Must Fall)[https://store.steampowered.com/app/2849680/Utopia_Must_Fall/], with lots of retro sounds.


music for programming podcast: https://musicforprogramming.net/latest/

some of the artists below are not strictly speaking ambient as in brian eno kind of ambient

jogging house, r beny, biosphere, anthony childs (surgeon doing ambient), abul mogard, alessandro cortini, alva noto (glitchy ambient), benoit piouliard, bing & ruth, bvdub, mu tate, jake muir, ulla, log et3rnal, space afrika, heurco s, donato dozzy - plays bee mask, imaginary softwoods, jo johnson, koen holtkamp, mountains, kyle bobby dunn, oneohtrix point never, neel, pendant, romeo poirier, domenique dumont, …


Not OP but I also often to listen to ambient while programming. A couple recommendations would be "Music for Nine Post Cards" and other works by Hiroshi Yoshimura, and "Music for 18 musicians" and others by Steve Reich.

In fact, the use of loops described in this article reminded me of what Reich called "phases", basically the same concept of emerging/shifting melodic patterns between different samples.


Aphex Twin - Selected Ambient Works {85-92,Volume II}.


I'll second Max Richter's Sleep. Timeline by Edith Progue might interest you too. The later is my favorite xcalm down" CD even before Max Richter's, when I'm too restless to sleep.

And maybe Glitch (music) might be of interest as a starting point, especially the "Clicks & Cuts Series" which gave me a lot of pointers to interesting niche artists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clicks_%26_Cuts_Series

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glitch_%28music%29


Biosphere - Shenzhou and Cirque, Stars of the Lid - The Tired Sounds of The Stars of the Lid are favorites of mine. I would also include everything by Microstoria which is not ambient but it works to the same end.


Stars of the Lid are sooooo good, yes! Their entire catalog is amazing.


A good place for experimental music is ubu web, in fact Brian Eno is also over there[1].

Edit:

Also if you're a programmer and what to learn a new programming language, then check out SuperCollider[2]. You can use that to create your own ambient sounds. SC has a great library for creating user interfaces along with creating sound.

[1]: https://ubu.com/film/eno_77_interview.html

[2]: https://supercollider.github.io/


There's also Strudel as a programmatic music composing app: https://strudel.cc/


My personal favourite for online is noisecraft, for example: https://noisecraft.app/1961

now that is fun to watch :)


Which, Claude is better than ChatGPT at generating code for.


I have an 'Ambient Radio' channel on https://ambiph.one, my soundscape generator: https://ambiph.one/?m=1-Ambient+Radio-bf100

There are some great less-well-known artists on there - if you tap the album art it'll link you to their Bandcamp if they have one



I have so many suggestions.

But if I had to pick one: Stars of the Lid - The Tired Sounds of Start of the Lid


Woob 1194 by Woob. Immersive, maybe darker than most would like, but deep and very graphical sound.

https://woob.bandcamp.com/album/woob-1194


For a good intro the Sleepbot Environmental Broadcast radio is well worth listening to. Also their write up on how and why they produce the broadcast is really interesting.


A lot of great recs in this thread, but I'll a couple others I didn't see listed yet:

Mort Garson: Mother Earth's Plantasia

Hiroshi Yoshimura: Surround

Satoshi Ashikawa: Still Way (Wave Notation 2)

Shameless plug... Search BirdyMusic.com in Spotify/Apple Music/YouTube Music to hear some ambient music algo generated based on realtime Birdnet detections and weather in my backyard.


Missing here are Gas (Wolfgang Voigt - Pop might be a good first album) and Oval (94diskont is my favorite)


Here's a playlist list of long-form ambient drone stuff I've been curating for a couple years now:

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLGMYnukvmgiXXFxuTKDvZfw-e...

I listen to it while I work.


The best is the instrumentals on David Bowie's Low IMO.

I know people love Music for Airports but I think it is incredibly boring compared to what Eno did with Bowie.

Beyond that the first few albums by The Orb are top notch.

Balam Acab - See Birds and Wander/Wonder are incredible.


i have a 5hr playlist on spotify called lost in the sea of ambien which happens to have many of the artist recos here. title is a reference to haruomi hosono who said he got lost in the sea of ambient in the 80s after leaving ymo.


If drone with later neoclassical touch then Marsen Jules has delivered very stable and top tier. Brilliant guy.

https://marsenjules.bandcamp.com/


The radio show/podcast Echoes with John DiLeberto is a great way to find new ambient/chill music.

https://echoes.org/



Aphex Twin's "Digeridoo" is incredible. It's a 4-song EP so it repeats often, but that's a feature for me.


I've not seen Global Communication mentioned, 76:14 really is masterpiece. (Gamers will recognize a tune featured on GTA IV)


Yeah, everything's interconnected as Tangerine Dream got to work on GTA V soundtrack. There is this note about that track on Wikipedia:

The track "5:23" is included in the 2008 video game Grand Theft Auto IV and appears on the soundtrack album The Music of Grand Theft Auto IV. In the digital release it is listed as "Maiden Voyage". This track is very similar to, but does not credit, the song "Love on a Real Train" by Tangerine Dream from the Risky Business soundtrack. They had remixed the song for a then upcoming Tangerine Dream remix album but had their effort rejected so released it as 5'23 instead.


Hania Rani: Esja.


Hear me out...the sim city soundtracks are excellent


For a more droned style - the works of Abul Mogard


You might like Patrick O'Hearn.


Absolutely! For instrumental focus music, check out Nils Frahm or Max Richter. Do you prefer more electronic or acoustic sounds?


I've never really understood the appeal honestly. I feel it's more of a "masterpiece" in a historical sense, because it was an early electronic / ambient work which no one had really heard before and that gave it a huge cult following. Which is understandable, but outside of that, I don't see how it's any more interesting than basically any other ambient work of which I would say there is much much much better. Robin Guthrie comes to mind...

I don't see it a masterpiece in the same way I see Miles Davis' "Kind of Blue" is. The reason? Because I don't think there is a better Jazz album, ever, where as with Eno's early Ambient work, I think it was surpassed very quickly.

That said I'll give it another listen today and see if I can hear the magic.

Am I missing something?


People have many tastes; some like Steve Reich, others Wim Mertens, Michael Nyman, or even Shostakovich.

If Guthrie does it for you (with or without Elizabeth Fraser?) perhaps The White Arcades also fits the bill, it's a Guthrie, Eno, Budd collaboration.

One thing to admire about Eno is just how deeply and broadly connected he was as an engineer and contributor to so many artists and albums.

David Bowie owes much to Fripp, Eno, Belew, ... etc.


I run OpenBSD on two old laptops at home, two virtual machines, and one old former SOHO router/firewall appliance. So far I've upgrade all but one laptop, and once again I am impressed how painless the process is these days. And how reliable. One laptop has been running OpenBSD since 6.8-ish, and it's never given me any problems.

Thank you to everyone who made this possible!


I used to use Fossil years ago, and I was happy with it. Then for work reasons, I had to start using git, and magit was what made switch from Fossil for my private stuff, too. I almost never resort to the git's CLI directly these days.

The only pain point is that last time I checked (2020), it was painfully slow on Windows, but as I haven't touched Windows (other than doing a bit of tech support for my parents) since then, that is not a problem for me.


The situation on windows is improved, not perfect but it is much better than it was.


I vaguely recall looking at the slides from a talk on OpenBSD's approach to this topic, which came down to (paraphrasing from hazy memory) "if it can be disabled, people will disable it; if it needs to be configured, people won't configure it".


As an owner of two i386 systems (both netbooks built around Intel's Atom N270), that run Debian, I am a little sad. I understand the reasoning, and I won't deny it is a very niche platform by now. But I had hoped Debian, with a history of supporting a wide range of platforms, would keep i386 going for a while longer.

Fortunately, bookworm will continue to receive updates for almost 3 years, so I am not in a hurry to look for a new OS for these relics. OpenBSD looks like the natural successor, but I am not sure if the wifi chips are supported. (And who knows how long these netbooks will continue to work, they were built in 2008 and 2009, so they've had a long life already.)

EDIT: Hooray, thanks to everyone who made this possible, is what I meant to say.


OpenBSD runs perfectly fine. Atom netbook, n270, 1GB of RAM, cwm+git dillo (plus DPI plugins), mpv+yt-dlp.

My ~/.config/mpv/config:

    #inicio

    ytdl-format=bestvideo[height<=?480][fps<=?30]+bestaudio/best

    vo=gl

    audio-pitch-correction=no

    quiet=yes

    pause=no

    vd-lavc-skiploopfilter=all

    demuxer-cache-wait=yes

    demuxer-max-bytes=4MiB

    #fin
My ~/yt-dlp.conf

    #inicio de fichero
    
    --format=bestvideo[height<=?480][fps<=?30]+bestaudio/best
    
    #fin de fichero
For the rest, I use streamlink from virtualenv (I do the same with yt-dlp) with a wrapper at $HOME/bin:

yt-dlp wrapper

    #!/bin/sh
 
    . $HOME/src/yt-dlp/bin/activate
    
    $HOME/src/yt-dlp/bin/yt-dlp "$@"
streamlink wrapper

    #!/bin/sh
    
   . $HOME/src/streamlink/bin/activate
   
    $HOME/src/streamlink/bin/yt-dlp "$@"
To install streamlink

       mkdir -p ~/src/streamlink

       cd ~/src/streamlink

       virtualenv .

       . bin/activate

       pip3 install -U streamlink
The same with yt-dlp:

      mkdir -p ~/src/yt-dlp

      cd ~/src/yt-dlp

       virtualenv .

      . bin/activate

      pip3 install -U yt-dlp

On the rest, I use mutt+msmtp+mbsync, slrn, sfeed, lynx/links, mocp, mupdf for PDF/CBZ/EPUB, nsxiv for images, tut for Mastodon and Emacs just for Telegram (I installed tdlib from OpenBSD packages and then I installed Telega from MELPA).

Overall it's a really fast machine. CWM+XTerm+Tmux it's my main environment. I have some SSH connection open to somewhere else at the 3rd tag (virtual desktop), and the 2nd one for Dillo.


Thank you very much!


Alpine supports i686, I see no current deprecation plans. This may change in the next three years though, who knows.


Out of curiosity, what do you use these netbooks for?


One sits in my bathroom so I can browse random Wikipedia articles while I'm, uh, busy. The other one sits on my nightstand and plays audiobooks/podcasts when I'm going to sleep.

So nothing critical. But something they are still good at, and being very small makes them a natural fit for these use cases.


Curious, why not use your phone for both these use cases? Seems like it would be even more convenient


I can't speak for the other poster, but I like the idea a lot. Having tools with specific purposes means I can avoid using my phone for everything. No matter what games I play to remove notifications/interruptions/etc. it's always a distraction and easy to be distracted from whatever I originally intended to use the phone for.


I do use the phone for audible, but I started both uses before I had a smart phone (I was very late to the game), and I am a creature of habit. Plus the netbook has a bigger display, more storage, and a real keyboard (again, creature of habit).


antiX will be creating a Trixie-based 32-bit ISO. There's also Void, Alpine and Slackware (at least).


OTOH, yes.

OTOH, when coding, I consider FILE to be effectively opaque in the sense that it probably is not portable, and that the implementers might change it at any time.

I am reminded of this fine article by Raymond Chen, which covers a similar situation on Windows way back when: https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20031015-00/?p=42...


Yes, it would not be sane to depend on implementation details of something like this.

But the sad reality is that many developers (myself included earlier in my career) will do insane things to fix a critical bug or performance problem when faced with a tight deadline.


Such is life, yes.


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