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That's as may be, but still, remember what Lyndon B Johnson said about controlling the lower classes.

Something about convincing the lowest white person that they're better than the best black guy.

I don't see that ploy failing to work in the US for a long, long time. So maybe the elites will lose control and thus, the "war"? But I doubt it.


Are you sure you aren't trying to quote Truman?

"To keep a black guy down in the gutter, you need a white guy there with him"


Very famous Johnson quote

> If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.

> Lyndon B. Johnson

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/9150190-if-you-can-convince...


"I'll tell you what's at the bottom of it. If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/lbj-convince-the-lowest-wh...


???

That's dumb.

I mean..

what about ..the slightest political or economic valence to..

um..

the Attorney General?

or even worse..

what about ..the slightest political or economic valence.. to ..independent agencies or private actors.

That's, like, explicit corruption isn't it? We'll give this private actor or independent entity the exclusive right to be the defacto enforcer for whatever laws. (Laws they themselves probably asked, sorry "lobbied", for?)

If you can trust some ..independent.. entity, I'm sorry, that means you can make the cops independent in the same way and trust them to enforce that law. If it's impossible that the cops can be set up to be independent in a way that prevents corruption, then how is the ..independent.. entity set up that it prevents corruption?

I hadn't realized that was going on. That's insanity. Wow we're corrupt.


Just to give a hint of how we plan on dealing with this, how many of those cars can you buy in the US today?

You can expect to be able to buy exactly that many chinese GPU or neural processors.


You are 100% correct on that, I fully expect that importing cheap GPUs and NPUs will be banned in the US, or tariff'd so heavily that it doesn't matter should they become available. But that will just allow Nvidia to fall behind until they get surpassed like AMD passed Intel.

A move like that will seriously hurt our ability to train and raise new software developers and the domestic game market.


Importing might be banned until the US loses access to its main source of GPU manufacturing. And what are the US going to do about it? Defend Taiwan? With missiles made with components and materials processed where, pray tell?

The US does need to start protecting its manufacturing again, but it’d be lucky to start at a level as high as high end semiconductors. That’d be like a stroke victim trying to run before they re-learn to walk.

As others have pointed out, this means less services, more manufacturing, less consumption, a probably a lower standard of living. But with the business as usual alternative looking a lot like business as usual in the western Roman Empire circa 450 CE, taking a hit to your standard of living while investing in a future which you still have the slightest control over, maybe feels like a decent trade.


Bringing a car in is hard. Bringing a GPU in is easy.

The fact that we banned the better products out of spite doesn't mean they're not better products.

Imagine if in 2010 the USA had banned itself from using computer hardware more powerful than they had at the time. Where would they be in the AI race? That's the situation the USA is heading for.


Frontier models are good at offensive capabilities.

Scary good.

But the good ones are not open. It's not even a matter of money. I know at OpenAI they are invite only for instance. Pretty sure there's vetting and tracking going on behind those invites.


Hate to be “that guy”, but this isn’t regulation or government. Rather it’s the free market with actors willing to do anything to make gentrification profits. Which are, unfortunately for our society, quite sizable.

You can have flophouses. Officially or under the table. But you can’t have them in areas with the vultures circling so to speak.

Not saying gentrification is good or bad. Just saying, if gentrification profits are there to be had, it’s a bit foolish to expect people to not do whatever it takes to secure those profits.


Low percentage of grad students

MIT grad students don't generally have classes, let alone finals

Which is not to say there are no bitter grad students or colleagues at MIT.

Which was gopher_space’s material point.


And to be frank, both are pretty far fetched. His thing was plasma and fusion.

If people want a conspiracy theory, tell them to go with alien civilizations wanted to prevent humans from achieving fusion.


Don't know about either of those? But militarily, it's suicide to set up all your generation in one area.

Always overwhelm the enemy when possible. Even when he's planning.


Well, yeah..

Devil's always in the details. But in this instance, any even partial win is still a win. Something is better than nothing.


This.

Don't believe for a second that Sora will allow you to make racist content with Disney characters.

That said, there are a lot of other models out there that care about neither licensing nor alignment. So those will allow you to make racist content. Then you can do whatever you like with that generated content.

A lot of IP owners will learn that there is more than one way to skin a cat. It's easier than people think to turn children's characters, like say, Hermoine, into a raging racist. And there's very little technically speaking that they can do to stop it.

But yes, on OpenAI specific properties, they can definitely stop it dead in its tracks. They can even get better at stopping it over time. In fact, the more users try to generate it, the better the system will get at stopping it.


I'm sure that's what Disney's lawyers specified in the contracts and what their execs expect. However, judging by how LLM controls have gone in the past, I'm fully expecting to see a slew of awful content featuring Disney's characters in the days after this launches. OpenAI also probably won't ever be able to actually stop people from generating harmful content with the characters, but the volume of awful stuff will probably eventually slow down as people get bored and move onto the next controversial thing.

> Don't believe for a second that Sora will allow you to make racist content with Disney characters.

Yes, because AI's so far have been oh so resilient to jailbreaks and oh so great at picking out the potentially "not aligned with corporate values" content...


> Don't believe for a second that Sora will allow you to make racist content with Disney characters.

Don’t believe for a minute that whatever filters it uses will be sensitive enough to the way racist content is constructed to stop people from doing just that.


"Don't let the user do racist shit" is literally AGI Hard territory of problem solving.

It's right up there with "Let kids communicate anonymously but not to perverts" and "Is this porn or educational?"


How can you prevent it from making that content? People will find a way to combine certain words together to make it happen.

Given the creativity of the jailbreaking community I will be very impressed if OpenAI manage to reliably prevent Sora from creating disagreeable content with Disney characters.

If they’re jail breaking it, they should already be able to get it to create Disney characters without this deal.

Almost like this is not about the value of the deal, but the payoff to both sides from the headlines?

I don't think that you will ever be able to generate Disney characters with the Sora app. Sora is both a model and an app. Instead I think that there will be a heavily guardrailed specialized app where you can do some highly restricted things for the opportunity for the content to show up on Disney+. Think of it as "Disney art! Powered by Sora".

How are they going to stop it?

A certain combination of nonstandard characters will make an AI character drop an n-word no problem

I guess they could chuck the output through whisper or something to see if it transcribes back to anything dodgy?

LLM security feels very ball of sand held together with duct tape haha


> Don't believe for a second that Sora will allow you to make racist content with Disney characters.

It's not racist, it's an historically accurate depiction of 1930s Germany under the authority of a significant leader who may or may not be controversial today


Once you make the content it's just content, no? How the hell are you going to ban racism? A lot of racism is "dog whistle" stuff anyway -- it's designed to convey a message to people who already know what is being suggested while seeming innocuous to any enforceable standards of decency... The racists will surely have no trouble bending the models to produce Disney content that is in practice used to promote and celebrate racism.

Based on what I’ve seen on Sora, it’s likely possible but only for a day or a few hours. They’ve been getting better and faster at censoring.

I agree. Those characters are likely safe on Sora


That's still whack-a-mole though, just because they're rolling out new virus definitions quicker doesn't do anything to prevent zero day exploits

Great, so censorship by attrition.

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