I find this to be an insane argument. I have never seen a k8s environment that wasn’t a garbage heap. But everyone is eager to tell you what a nice can they’ve found next to the rotting banana.

Onboarding new team members? A disaster. The design? All done by one dumpster diver with nobody to call them out on the mistakes because they have no idea what the hell is happening.

I’ve never seen a k8s shop where there weren’t a few principal engineers being roped from incident to incident because teams couldn’t manage their own.

With cloud providers, even ones we don’t use, people have a general idea of how the primitives work. With any reasonably skilled team you get back to talking about how your product works instead of talking about persistent volume replication for Postgres backups or the differing file system behavior or what cli everyone should be using to manage your entire company’s software or how to stop someone from deleting the entire of everything you own or or or